MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[oldknight]

Thanks, Old Night.  My previous post of, "Yep.  Your're right" referred to the controversy.  Thanks for presenting "the rest of the story."

Will you be at the Calvin game tonight?  I have a rehearsal for an upcoming concert.  I'll have to listen in if I get home early enough.

I plan to be there. In your absence I'll do my best to give your son encouragement from my usual perch. But will I need to keep Dad under control?

[HopeConvert]

Hmmm...Section 7..interesting points.  Got me wondering if I have an "apology" complex or something.  Checked out my posts and only found one apology (made most recently).  Not sure about BasketBall Mom.  But hey, I apologize if I'm over-apologizing.     I try to keep a healthy balance...you know, apologize when I'm wrong, be humble when I'm not.  As our church motto states:

In Essentials, Unity
In Non-Essentials, Liberty
In All Things, Charity

That can apply to all areas of life.

Wow; quoting St Augustine himself. That's one way to try and class up this board. And there's no need to apologize for that.

It's a common misconception that the Bishop of Hippo is the originator of that maxim. However, it appears nowhere in Augustine's writings -- and as much as he might've felt that way in his heart, the sentiment doesn't really conform to his stated doctrinal and ecclesiological beliefs. The "In essentials, unity ..." saying, which is known in German as the Friedenspruch (Peace Saying), is actually attributable to an obscure seventeenth-century Lutheran theologian and pastor in Germany named Peter Meiderlin (aka Rupertus Meldenius). The saying was popularized in the English-speaking world by the renowned English Puritan writer Richard Baxter, who dutifully attributed the Friedenspruche aphorism to Meiderlin.

To be fair it must be admitted that the quote seems to have an unclear provenance. But the well respected Anglican clergyman and scholar, John R. W. Stott (Rector Emeritus of All Souls Church, London, and former Chaplain to Queen Elizabeth II), does trace the quote's history to the former Bishop of Hippo. Stott bases the history from a very similar--but not identical--passage in Augustine's book City of God which says "In truth, unity; in doubtful things, liberty; in all things, charity." [Since my personally autographed, first edition, Latin language copy of this tome is not handy at the moment I will tell you I haven't fact checked Stott's statement but as well respected as Stott is I feel pretty confident]. See www.episcopalian.org/efac/articles/essentials.html

Augustine's thought was taken up and modified by 17th century clergy and has become the familiar quotation we know it as today. This is something that  happens often in literature--even biblical passages get oft changed by usage. One of the most common misquotations is the telescoped quotation "Pride goes before a fall" which actually reads "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18 (King James Version)

There ends our Ancient Religious Literature Interim class for 2007. Thank you all for coming. Class dismissed.

I'm certainly not the world's preeminent Augustine scholar, but I am quite familiar with The City of God and have to say I have no recollection of that passage appearing anywhere in the text. Did Stott provide a citation or was he taking it as general knowledge? Frankly, it doesn't sound like Augustine to me. I am happy to be proven wrong if someone can provide me with a citation in Augustine himself, but until then I will remain skeptical.

[sac]

In the Don "Diesel" Overbeek era at Hope, it was thought that a father of a player was a regular poster -- but he was never open about it, and for all I know it may have been idle and uninformed speculation (which almost never happens on this site.)  

I think it's great to have former players on board, stinger, and CCMom has been a delightful voice to put in the mix, as well.  

Yes, Mr Overbeek did read and post on the board, very infrequently though.  Matt Taylor's dad was a reader at the very least, and at one time the Hope team was a frequent reader and very aware of the board and its contents, along with a number of administrators, as well as a few from Albion.  During the 05 season at least 2 Adrian players were regular visitors and posters.  I've seen 3 or 4 coaches posting game openings, so at the very least they're aware of the site, I'm sure their curiosity gets the best of them sometimes and they check out the musings in here.

When I've done the end of season awards, I've gotten at least 5 emails from what I recognize as former MIAA players over the time I've done it.

So yeah, some pretty important and interesting people do read this site.

[kresgekrazy]

Whoa!  What's goin on in Britonland??  Is the team young and are lacking leaders?  I though E. Way was going to be a force in the league - how's he been holding up? 

Notice that none of you put out an Amber Alert for me when I wasn't posting.   That's BS!

Where's Carl Yastremski - or Mark Bavarro (whatever your name is)  you're like a felon that changes his name every week. 

Anybody seen that smelly kid that sits behind the bench at every game???  What's his name?  Wedge or Hexman?

[gohope]

Whoa!  What's goin on in Britonland??  Is the team young and are lacking leaders?  I though E. Way was going to be a force in the league - how's he been holding up? 

Notice that none of you put out an Amber Alert for me when I wasn't posting.   That's BS!

Where's Carl Yastremski - or Mark Bavarro (whatever your name is)  you're like a felon that changes his name every week. 

Anybody seen that smelly kid that sits behind the bench at every game???  What's his name?  Wedge or Hexman?

At lunch today, Sheriff Mike Anderson was commenting on how the County Jail was overcrowded "once again" and that a number of inmates had to be released early... look who got out!!

[oldknight]

I'm certainly not the world's preeminent Augustine scholar, but I am quite familiar with The City of God and have to say I have no recollection of that passage appearing anywhere in the text. Did Stott provide a citation or was he taking it as general knowledge? Frankly, it doesn't sound like Augustine to me. I am happy to be proven wrong if someone can provide me with a citation in Augustine himself, but until then I will remain skeptical.

Stott does not provide a chapter or page number from City of God but if you read the link I provided you will see that there are quote marks around the statement to which he gave Augustinian attribution. The link provides what appears to be a republished speech Stott gave in 1998 at Regent College (I believe it's an Anglican school) located in Vancouver. Knowing the general respect Stott has and something about his academic pedigree (he has at least one doctorate and has written over 40 books) I'm pretty comfortable relying on him right now.

Reading your comments make me think that all you've really done is repeat what someone else has already written on the internet (See 4Simpsons Blog). Unless you have a photographic memory I wouldn't expect anyone to have a recollection of that rather obscure passage from an author who writes stuff as heavy as does Augustine. And exactly what, pray tell, does Augustine "sound like" anyway. I'm skeptical of anyone who claims to know from that writing that Augustine wouldn't have expressed that thought. Forgive me if I prefer to keep my eggs in John Stott's basket right now rather than in that of an apostate from Knightdom.

[Civic Minded]

I'm certainly not the world's preeminent Augustine scholar, but I am quite familiar with The City of God and have to say I have no recollection of that passage appearing anywhere in the text. Did Stott provide a citation or was he taking it as general knowledge? Frankly, it doesn't sound like Augustine to me. I am happy to be proven wrong if someone can provide me with a citation in Augustine himself, but until then I will remain skeptical.

Stott does not provide a chapter or page number from City of God but if you read the link I provided you will see that there are quote marks around the statement to which he gave Augustinian attribution. The link provides what appears to be a republished speech Stott gave in 1998 at Regent College (I believe it's an Anglican school) located in Vancouver. Knowing the general respect Stott has and something about his academic pedigree (he has at least one doctorate and has written over 40 books) I'm pretty comfortable relying on him right now.

Reading your comments make me think that all you've really done is repeat what someone else has already written on the internet (See 4Simpsons Blog). Unless you have a photographic memory I wouldn't expect anyone to have a recollection of that rather obscure passage from an author who writes stuff as heavy as does Augustine. And exactly what, pray tell, does Augustine "sound like" anyway. I'm skeptical of anyone who claims to know from that writing that Augustine wouldn't have expressed that thought. Forgive me if I prefer to keep my eggs in John Stott's basket right now rather than in that of an apostate from Knightdom.

Wow!  And I thought the chatter about Cramer's dunk went on ad nauseum...      

[Stinger]

Who the hell is John Stott?

I say bring home Jim Bakker. 

Beat Calvin

[HopeConvert]

I'm certainly not the world's preeminent Augustine scholar, but I am quite familiar with The City of God and have to say I have no recollection of that passage appearing anywhere in the text. Did Stott provide a citation or was he taking it as general knowledge? Frankly, it doesn't sound like Augustine to me. I am happy to be proven wrong if someone can provide me with a citation in Augustine himself, but until then I will remain skeptical.

Stott does not provide a chapter or page number from City of God but if you read the link I provided you will see that there are quote marks around the statement to which he gave Augustinian attribution. The link provides what appears to be a republished speech Stott gave in 1998 at Regent College (I believe it's an Anglican school) located in Vancouver. Knowing the general respect Stott has and something about his academic pedigree (he has at least one doctorate and has written over 40 books) I'm pretty comfortable relying on him right now.

Reading your comments make me think that all you've really done is repeat what someone else has already written on the internet (See 4Simpsons Blog). Unless you have a photographic memory I wouldn't expect anyone to have a recollection of that rather obscure passage from an author who writes stuff as heavy as does Augustine. And exactly what, pray tell, does Augustine "sound like" anyway. I'm skeptical of anyone who claims to know from that writing that Augustine wouldn't have expressed that thought. Forgive me if I prefer to keep my eggs in John Stott's basket right now rather than in that of an apostate from Knightdom.

I know nothing of the 4Simpsons blog, and am going off my repeated readings of City of God. When I say it doesn't sound like Augustine I mean that in two senses: it is stylistically not the way he writes, and certainly not the way he writes in City of God; and, secondly, I don't take it to be a formulation entirely congruent with his theology in general, or with the issues addressed in City of God in particular. Augustine doesn't express himself in such aphoristic fashions.

I don't have a photographic memory, but as I said I have read the text multiple times and I would think a phrase like that, given its general familiarity, would have stood out to me. It sounds more like an 18th century latitudinarian than a 4th century Bishop. With all due respect to Stott, unless someone provides me with a textual citation, I will remain skeptical. You are certainly welcome to take Stott's word over mine on this, and I wouldn't blame you for doing so.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Proof once again that theology and politics don't belong here.  The disagreement over Cramers dunk and the charge on Velthouse last year weren't this intense   

[Flying Dutch Fan]

So tonight at the DeVos they are giving away a remake of the first Hope BBall booster button - which I learned this morning was designed by none other than our own gohope!!

We should all feel humbled to be in gohope's presence   

[gohope]

So tonight at the DeVos they are giving away a remake of the first Hope BBall booster button - which I learned this morning was designed by none other than our own gohope!!

We should all feel humbled to be in gohope's presence   

In the famous words of Scooby-Doo:  "??Huh??"

[realist]

National Rankings
Women's Basketball - WBCA (4th) & d3hoops (7th)
The above two lines are from the Calvin Sports web site.  My guess would be most D3 SIDs are very well aware of this site, and peruse it on a regular basis.  In fact lack of knowledge about a site that ranks D3 teams might be reason to question an SIDs competence. Extrapolating from the SIDs it is a safe bet the AD, and other administrators along with coaches know this site.  If they spend any time on the postings they probably need more to do.
I would bet most players know about this site, and probably a few have visited it.  However, I doubt commenting on this board is one of the things any coach encourages.  

[hope1]

thanks go hope i still have 1  and get a another  one tonight

[arena]

Still not sure if I'm doing this "quoting" thing right!  I hope it's not unprecedented or il
One of my favorite quotes by Augustine is "Love God and do as you please."  To quote him fairly, "Who can be good, if not made so by loving?" and "If you but love God you may do as you incline."  Phillip Yancey adds, "He was entirely serious.  A person who truly loves God will be inclined to please God which is why Jesus and Paul both summed up the entire law in the simple command, "Love God."

Back to the Essentials quote.  It's a beautiful "doctrine."  The big challenge for me is not to make everything an "Essential!" 

I think that was a Luther comment as well.  That comment is such a great reminder about the true and complete assurance we have in Christ.