MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Did you tell all those who were walking to concessions to not do that so as not to bother those trying to watch the half time show?

I can't believe the lengths some will go to justify the bad behavior of the students involved.

Honest to Pete.  Are all of you Calvin fans so thick headed?  Is it a 101 class, or what?

So, now we've come to ad-homs on this board?

Your placing the blame on the kid is crazy.

Oh come on arena, you can't really be that ignorant.  Walking to the concession stand or restrooms, or just going to talk to friends doesn't distract the audience from what's going on on the floor.  

I've already admited that the Hope students compounded the problem, but you can't ignore the fact that the Calvin student who had the young lad on his shoulders stopped directly in from of the Hope students so they could be taunted.  In my book, if you are going to do something like that, you are taking a risk and may have to suffer the consequences.

[almcguirejr]

You were right to hold your child back from doing his rounds around the court, obviously some students don't have the class to react properly - and I say that with sincerity. In my opinion, your son was the bigger man in that particular instance. The idiot Hope student that took the flag, stomped on it and threw it should be ashamed. As you mentioned, a more representative model of a Hope student was the cheerleader that returned it.

However, I just can't understand why you would let your little boy taunt the Dew Crew from 5 feet away with a Calvin flag.  Firing up your student section momentarily at the risk of angering another? I an no way approve of what happened, but what did you expect? Can you honestly say, with 100% assurance, that Calvin fans (or any others, for that matter) wouldn't have done the same?

Bad situation all-around augmented by bad decisions on both sides.

The decision to let him go with the Calvin students, who he has come to know quite well over the last couple years, was in response to the initial "letter" that the Hope students brought over and basically threw in his face.  He may be only five but he can read quite well and he was visibly dismayed by that and the Calvin students were attempting to show him that they don't think he is dumb and that they love him. 

He started running his laps as a 2 1/2 or 3 year old as a way to burn off energy so he could stand sitting in the seats for the 2nd half.  Due to the response he has received, home or away (up until this year) it has become a tradition and almost a job in his mind.  This year is the first time that any student section has audibly booed him (last game at Calvin) or physically approached him.  Therefore, in most peoples mind it would not seem like a big deal to have him run.  Most people in the sections near us are encouraging him to do it more when the crowd gets a little quite. 

I can say with almost that level of assurance that they would not have done anything like that based on last years game at Calvin when your fans had a little girl with a cheerleader uniform on do the same type thing.  Like I said the only reason we had any hesitation in the first place was the audible booing from the last game.

I know I should let sleeping dogs lie, but this has to be said.  The first time or two that the young man with the flag went around the floor, it was fine.  One time the Dew Crew just turned their backs to him and his posse (a couple of Calvin students).  The problem occured when during halftime, while the Hope Pom-Pon squad was performing, he was hoisted on someone's shoulders and paraded around the arena - totally classless - there were students on the floor performing for the crowd.  Please don't take this wrong, I'm not saying the young man did anything wrong, it was the Calvin student carrying him who crossed that line.  The Hope students were reacting to the timing of the act - and their actions just compounded the problem.

Did you tell all those who were walking to concessions to not do that so as not to bother those trying to watch the half time show?

I can't believe the lengths some will go to justify the bad behavior of the students involved.

I don't think that is a valid comparison at all.

Moreover, I think when all is said and done. Any fan, at any age, alone or accompanied should not parade in front of the opposing teams fan section, either at home or on the road. I do not condone the actions of the Hope student but I also don't think its right for a Calvin student to parade in front of the Dew Crew using a 5 year old as "protection." No one would be nearly as upset if a Calvin student paraded in front of the Dew Crew and had a flag stolen from him (not that that would make taking the flag right either.) The Calvin student used a 5 year old child as protection to engage in taunting and did it at a particularly inappropriate time. They easily could have waited and done it after the Pom Pon routine was over and that is the point being made by others.

And to think this happened on a night when Bobby Knight read guidelines on fan behavior.  That was about as effective as Hope's first half defense.


Reading all these comments makes me want to stab myself. Enough Already. Quit. Stop.
I'm beggin ya

[sac]

Reading all these comments makes me want to stab myself. Enough Already. Quit. Stop.
I'm beggin ya

I agree.........makes me want to stab almcguirejr too.   

[arena]

You were right to hold your child back from doing his rounds around the court, obviously some students don't have the class to react properly - and I say that with sincerity. In my opinion, your son was the bigger man in that particular instance. The idiot Hope student that took the flag, stomped on it and threw it should be ashamed. As you mentioned, a more representative model of a Hope student was the cheerleader that returned it.

However, I just can't understand why you would let your little boy taunt the Dew Crew from 5 feet away with a Calvin flag.  Firing up your student section momentarily at the risk of angering another? I an no way approve of what happened, but what did you expect? Can you honestly say, with 100% assurance, that Calvin fans (or any others, for that matter) wouldn't have done the same?

Bad situation all-around augmented by bad decisions on both sides.

The decision to let him go with the Calvin students, who he has come to know quite well over the last couple years, was in response to the initial "letter" that the Hope students brought over and basically threw in his face.  He may be only five but he can read quite well and he was visibly dismayed by that and the Calvin students were attempting to show him that they don't think he is dumb and that they love him. 

He started running his laps as a 2 1/2 or 3 year old as a way to burn off energy so he could stand sitting in the seats for the 2nd half.  Due to the response he has received, home or away (up until this year) it has become a tradition and almost a job in his mind.  This year is the first time that any student section has audibly booed him (last game at Calvin) or physically approached him.  Therefore, in most peoples mind it would not seem like a big deal to have him run.  Most people in the sections near us are encouraging him to do it more when the crowd gets a little quite. 

I can say with almost that level of assurance that they would not have done anything like that based on last years game at Calvin when your fans had a little girl with a cheerleader uniform on do the same type thing.  Like I said the only reason we had any hesitation in the first place was the audible booing from the last game.

I know I should let sleeping dogs lie, but this has to be said.  The first time or two that the young man with the flag went around the floor, it was fine.  One time the Dew Crew just turned their backs to him and his posse (a couple of Calvin students).  The problem occured when during halftime, while the Hope Pom-Pon squad was performing, he was hoisted on someone's shoulders and paraded around the arena - totally classless - there were students on the floor performing for the crowd.  Please don't take this wrong, I'm not saying the young man did anything wrong, it was the Calvin student carrying him who crossed that line.  The Hope students were reacting to the timing of the act - and their actions just compounded the problem.

Did you tell all those who were walking to concessions to not do that so as not to bother those trying to watch the half time show?

I can't believe the lengths some will go to justify the bad behavior of the students involved.

I don't think that is a valid comparison at all.

Moreover, I think when all is said and done. Any fan, at any age, alone or accompanied should not parade in front of the opposing teams fan section, either at home or on the road. I do not condone the actions of the Hope student but I also don't think its right for a Calvin student to parade in front of the Dew Crew using a 5 year old as "protection." No one would be nearly as upset if a Calvin student paraded in front of the Dew Crew and had a flag stolen from him (not that that would make taking the flag right either.) The Calvin student used a 5 year old child as protection to engage in taunting and did it at a particularly inappropriate time. They easily could have waited and done it after the Pom Pon routine was over and that is the point being made by others.

And to think this happened on a night when Bobby Knight read guidelines on fan behavior.  That was about as effective as Hope's first half defense.


Reading all these comments makes me want to stab myself. Enough Already. Quit. Stop.
I'm beggin ya

I'm done with it.

A comment to my wife as we watched the first half of the game was Calvin needs to bury Hope by at least 25 by halftime before I was comfortable with knowing Calvin would win. 

My wife hates it when I'm right.

[almcguirejr]

Reading all these comments makes me want to stab myself. Enough Already. Quit. Stop.
I'm beggin ya

I agree.........makes me want to stab almcguirejr too.   

You'll have to get in line.

[HopeConvert]

Exactly. Hope had an advantage, and had no more bench minutes than Calvin.

Huh?  Calvin had the advantage in bench scoring.  Unless you meant advantage as in better bench production coming into the game, then I'm confused.

Yes, that is what I meant. Hope's strength this year has been their depth, and they didn't use it to their advantage against Calvin last night.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

I think we need a new topic since I don't think it will take 45 hours to break down this weekends games. I am here with a suggestion.

I ask for your thoughts on the following:
What are the legal constitutional and policy arguments in favor of the proposed military commission rules for detainees?

Your answers may be submitted on the board or emailed to   

i_should_not_have_spent_so_much_time_on_d3hoops@iamintrouble.org


PS I give up on figuring out why the email address keeps coming out funny.

PPS I am going for levity not trying to create a political broohaha

[HopeConvert]

I think we need a new topic since I don't think it will take 45 hours to break down this weekends games. I am here with a suggestion.

I ask for your thoughts on the following:
What are the legal constitutional and policy arguments in favor of the proposed military commission rules for detainees?

Your answers may be submitted on the board or emailed to   

i_should_not_have_spent_so_much_time_on_d3hoops@iamintrouble.com

Check Article II.

[KnightSlappy]

I think the quote function may have just been over-used.

[GoKnights68]

Wow, that didn't take long for my karma to take a hit for stating a very reserved opinion.

Or mine to get hit either.......

The next time you post a reserved opinion (which would be the first time ever) you will find that it doesn't affect your karma.

Wooo there. Calm down.  I think this about the time of the year where some grumpiness comes out from both fans and tension starts building up.  Before the season it was all friendly talk(ketchup and mustard jokes), but now there will be arguements over 5 year olds, people wrecking the pom pom halftime show by carrying a kid on their shoulder, and ripping of the big giant yellows hats(last years "anger" arguement).  Negative karma for everyone who comments on it! 

[GoKnights68]

You were right to hold your child back from doing his rounds around the court, obviously some students don't have the class to react properly - and I say that with sincerity. In my opinion, your son was the bigger man in that particular instance. The idiot Hope student that took the flag, stomped on it and threw it should be ashamed. As you mentioned, a more representative model of a Hope student was the cheerleader that returned it.

However, I just can't understand why you would let your little boy taunt the Dew Crew from 5 feet away with a Calvin flag.  Firing up your student section momentarily at the risk of angering another? I an no way approve of what happened, but what did you expect? Can you honestly say, with 100% assurance, that Calvin fans (or any others, for that matter) wouldn't have done the same?

Bad situation all-around augmented by bad decisions on both sides.

The decision to let him go with the Calvin students, who he has come to know quite well over the last couple years, was in response to the initial "letter" that the Hope students brought over and basically threw in his face.  He may be only five but he can read quite well and he was visibly dismayed by that and the Calvin students were attempting to show him that they don't think he is dumb and that they love him. 

He started running his laps as a 2 1/2 or 3 year old as a way to burn off energy so he could stand sitting in the seats for the 2nd half.  Due to the response he has received, home or away (up until this year) it has become a tradition and almost a job in his mind.  This year is the first time that any student section has audibly booed him (last game at Calvin) or physically approached him.  Therefore, in most peoples mind it would not seem like a big deal to have him run.  Most people in the sections near us are encouraging him to do it more when the crowd gets a little quite. 

I can say with almost that level of assurance that they would not have done anything like that based on last years game at Calvin when your fans had a little girl with a cheerleader uniform on do the same type thing.  Like I said the only reason we had any hesitation in the first place was the audible booing from the last game.

I know I should let sleeping dogs lie, but this has to be said.  The first time or two that the young man with the flag went around the floor, it was fine.  One time the Dew Crew just turned their backs to him and his posse (a couple of Calvin students).  The problem occured when during halftime, while the Hope Pom-Pon squad was performing, he was hoisted on someone's shoulders and paraded around the arena - totally classless - there were students on the floor performing for the crowd.  Please don't take this wrong, I'm not saying the young man did anything wrong, it was the Calvin student carrying him who crossed that line.  The Hope students were reacting to the timing of the act - and their actions just compounded the problem.

Did you tell all those who were walking to concessions to not do that so as not to bother those trying to watch the half time show?

I can't believe the lengths some will go to justify the bad behavior of the students involved.

I don't think that is a valid comparison at all.

Moreover, I think when all is said and done. Any fan, at any age, alone or accompanied should not parade in front of the opposing teams fan section, either at home or on the road. I do not condone the actions of the Hope student but I also don't think its right for a Calvin student to parade in front of the Dew Crew using a 5 year old as "protection." No one would be nearly as upset if a Calvin student paraded in front of the Dew Crew and had a flag stolen from him (not that that would make taking the flag right either.) The Calvin student used a 5 year old child as protection to engage in taunting and did it at a particularly inappropriate time. They easily could have waited and done it after the Pom Pon routine was over and that is the point being made by others.

And to think this happened on a night when Bobby Knight read guidelines on fan behavior.  That was about as effective as Hope's first half defense.


Reading all these comments makes me want to stab myself. Enough Already. Quit. Stop.
I'm beggin ya

I'm done with it.

A comment to my wife as we watched the first half of the game was Calvin needs to bury Hope by at least 25 by halftime before I was comfortable with knowing Calvin would win. 

My wife hates it when I'm right.

Was telling everyone around me the same thing.  I kept rooting hard for Calvin to pour it all on early because I know Hope would come back and Calvin would go through a cold streak.  I was right.

[bulldogalum]

I think we need a new topic since I don't think it will take 45 hours to break down this weekends games. I am here with a suggestion.

I ask for your thoughts on the following:
What are the legal constitutional and policy arguments in favor of the proposed military commission rules for detainees?

Your answers may be submitted on the board or emailed to   

i_should_not_have_spent_so_much_time_on_d3hoops@iamintrouble.org


PS I give up on figuring out why the email address keeps coming out funny.

PPS I am going for levity not trying to create a political broohaha

Trying to pass your work off onto the board, eh?   Wish I'd have thought of it sooner

[sac]

I think the quote function may have just been over-used.

Same could be said for the karma function, specifically the negative function.  Really lame!

[hope1]

why cant be all nice to each hope and calvin  the game is done move on to other stuff  

[Pat Coleman]

Wow ... I spend a few hours actually working at work and this is what happens? Yikes.