MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ChicagoHopeNut]

While I think the MIAA/CCIW challenge is great and provides Hope with 2 in region games as long as it is Carthage or Wheaton, I am sure Elmhurst, North Central, and think North Park (?) would also be within 200 miles but I am not going to take the time to check now, I doubt that Illinois Wesleyan would be in region though, I agree with the others that it would be great to see some games between the MIAA and OAC or NCAC teams. Personally, I think the appeal of playing a Witt, Woo, and JCU specifically is that they are not only in region games but they are teams that have a history of competing year in and year out. So there is a good chance they may have a .667 (not .666666666 though) winning percentage and be a regionally ranked team, which helps either Hope or Calvin come Selection Sunday. I know JCU came to the Russ DeVette last year as I was able to attend the game personally so I hope that GVW can continue to bring a team of that quality more years than not.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Yes.  A game is in-region if it meets ANY of four standards:

same region (thus MIAA games against any team in the OAC, NCAC, PresAC, or AMCC are in-region)

Not necessarily AMCC teams, Chuck. The AMCC is split between three different regions: Great Lakes (Lake Erie, PSU-Behrend, Frostburg State, and Pitt-Greensburg); East (Medaille and Hilbert); and Middle Atlantic (Pitt-Bradford, Mount Aloysius, PSU-Altoona, and LaRoche). An MIAA team would only be playing a regional contest if it played Lake Erie, PSU-Behrend, Frostburg State, or Pitt-Greensburg.

Thanks for the clarification - I didn't know that.  Since the AMCC board is in the GL section (the UAA is the only board in the multi-region section), I assumed it was all GL.  Are there any other conferences divided among regions (I thought the UAA was unique)?

[Gregory Sager]

While I think the MIAA/CCIW challenge is great and provides Hope with 2 in region games as long as it is Carthage or Wheaton, I am sure Elmhurst, North Central, and think North Park (?) would also be within 200 miles but I am not going to take the time to check now, I doubt that Illinois Wesleyan would be in region though,

Hope vs. North Park = yes
Hope vs. Elmhurst = yes
Hope vs. North Central = yes
Calvin vs. North Park = yes
Calvin vs. Elmhurst = yes
Calvin vs. North Central = no

Naperville (the suburb in which NCC is located) is just as far west as Wheaton, only it's farther south ... which means it's even more distant from Grand Rapids than is Wheaton. Elmhurst is on the way to Wheaton if you're coming from Grand Rapids, so it's under the 200-mile limit by about five or so miles. NPU, up on the city's North Side, is well within the 200-mile zone for both MIAA schools.

None of the three outlying CCIW schools (Illinois Wesleyan, Millikin, and Augustana) are even close to being within 200 miles of any of the MIAA campuses.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

While I think the MIAA/CCIW challenge is great and provides Hope with 2 in region games as long as it is Carthage or Wheaton, I am sure Elmhurst, North Central, and think North Park (?) would also be within 200 miles but I am not going to take the time to check now, I doubt that Illinois Wesleyan would be in region though,

Hope vs. North Park = yes
Hope vs. Elmhurst = yes
Hope vs. North Central = yes
Calvin vs. North Park = yes
Calvin vs. Elmhurst = yes
Calvin vs. North Central = no

Naperville (the suburb in which NCC is located) is just as far west as Wheaton, only it's farther south ... which means it's even more distant from Grand Rapids than is Wheaton. Elmhurst is on the way to Wheaton if you're coming from Grand Rapids, so it's under the 200-mile limit by about five or so miles. NPU, up on the city's North Side, is well within the 200-mile zone for both MIAA schools.

None of the three outlying CCIW schools (Illinois Wesleyan, Millikin, and Augustana) are even close to being within 200 miles of any of the MIAA campuses.

That's what I thought but thanks for doing the math and confirming that information.

[Mr. Ypsi]

While I think the MIAA/CCIW challenge is great and provides Hope with 2 in region games as long as it is Carthage or Wheaton, I am sure Elmhurst, North Central, and think North Park (?) would also be within 200 miles but I am not going to take the time to check now, I doubt that Illinois Wesleyan would be in region though,

Hope vs. North Park = yes
Hope vs. Elmhurst = yes
Hope vs. North Central = yes
Calvin vs. North Park = yes
Calvin vs. Elmhurst = yes
Calvin vs. North Central = no

Naperville (the suburb in which NCC is located) is just as far west as Wheaton, only it's farther south ... which means it's even more distant from Grand Rapids than is Wheaton. Elmhurst is on the way to Wheaton if you're coming from Grand Rapids, so it's under the 200-mile limit by about five or so miles. NPU, up on the city's North Side, is well within the 200-mile zone for both MIAA schools.

None of the three outlying CCIW schools (Illinois Wesleyan, Millikin, and Augustana) are even close to being within 200 miles of any of the MIAA campuses.

But since they have to round Lake Michigan, south is actually closer in driving distance.  Calvin-North Central would probably require an NCAA ruling.

[Gregory Sager]

Yes.  A game is in-region if it meets ANY of four standards:

same region (thus MIAA games against any team in the OAC, NCAC, PresAC, or AMCC are in-region)

Not necessarily AMCC teams, Chuck. The AMCC is split between three different regions: Great Lakes (Lake Erie, PSU-Behrend, Frostburg State, and Pitt-Greensburg); East (Medaille and Hilbert); and Middle Atlantic (Pitt-Bradford, Mount Aloysius, PSU-Altoona, and LaRoche). An MIAA team would only be playing a regional contest if it played Lake Erie, PSU-Behrend, Frostburg State, or Pitt-Greensburg.

Thanks for the clarification - I didn't know that.  Since the AMCC board is in the GL section (the UAA is the only board in the multi-region section), I assumed it was all GL.  Are there any other conferences divided among regions (I thought the UAA was unique)?

The handbook states that five conferences have been granted exceptions to the conference unity rule with regard to regions: ASC, UAA, AMCC, NEAC, and SCAC. The NEAC is divided between the East, Atlantic, and Middle Atlantic regions. I'm not entirely sure why the SCAC and ASC sought and were granted exceptions, since both conferences are entirely within the purview of the South Region. Of course, the addition of Colorado College to the SCAC next year means that it can now use that exception, since the Tigers are in the West Region.

But since they have to round Lake Michigan, south is actually closer in driving distance.  Calvin-North Central would probably require an NCAA ruling.

Not according to Mapquest. The routes are more conducive to Wheaton than Naperville -- why, I'm not sure, since the logical way to get to either one from Michigan is by using the Reagan (I-88), after which it's just a matter of which way you turn on Naperville Rd., north (to Wheaton) or south (to Naperville). But I'm not even going to attempt to guess what the Microsoft calculation would be. One could lose a lot of money betting on how D3 interprets the 200-mile rule, as everyone who follows this room now knows.

That's what I thought but thanks for doing the math and confirming that information.

The math was done long ago. CCIW and MIAA folks have long since sorted out which games are under-200-milers and which ones aren't, Calvin's two borderline contests with Wheaton and NCC and the mystifying ferry contest between Hope and Carthage excepted.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Not sure - the posting was on CCIW Chat, but the post said Carroll-Lake Forest (the MWC title game).

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Not sure - the posting was on CCIW Chat, but the post said Carroll-Lake Forest (the MWC title game).

Mr. Ypsi, you are right. I read the board quickly and incorrectly so I deleted my first post. Nevertheless, weather in IL has been reported to me as subpar near Rock Island.

I don't believe I have to wait another 54 minutes for Hope-Calvin IV.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Not sure - the posting was on CCIW Chat, but the post said Carroll-Lake Forest (the MWC title game).

Mr. Ypsi, you are right. I read the board quickly and incorrectly so I deleted my first post. Nevertheless, weather in IL has been reported to me as subpar near Rock Island.

I don't believe I have to wait another 54 minutes for Hope-Calvin IV.

Now my post makes no sense!  For those wondering, 'cciw watcher' posted (on CCIW Chat) that the Lake Forest-Carroll game was postponed due to a power outage.  But other posters have noted that the weather in Rock Island is horrendous, so whether he got the teams wrong or the board wrong, I don't know (but if the Augie-Elmhurst game does occur, it sounds like it will be a VERY small crowd)!

[Gregory Sager]

Not sure - the posting was on CCIW Chat, but the post said Carroll-Lake Forest (the MWC title game).

Mr. Ypsi, you are right. I read the board quickly and incorrectly so I deleted my first post. Nevertheless, weather in IL has been reported to me as subpar near Rock Island.

I don't believe I have to wait another 54 minutes for Hope-Calvin IV.

Now my post makes no sense!  For those wondering, 'cciw watcher' posted (on CCIW Chat) that the Lake Forest-Carroll game was postponed due to a power outage.  But other posters have noted that the weather in Rock Island is horrendous, so whether he got the teams wrong or the board wrong, I don't know (but if the Augie-Elmhurst game does occur, it sounds like it will be a VERY small crowd)!

I just figured that CCIW Watcher was a septuagenarian who forgot that Lake Forest left the CCIW in the early '60s and that Carroll left the CCIW in the early '90s.

[diehardfan]

I just figured that CCIW Watcher was a septuagenarian who forgot that Lake Forest left the CCIW in the early '60s and that Carroll left the CCIW in the early '90s.

That's exactly what I thought too!!!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Greg and April,

Unlike some on CCIW Chat, at least you had the decency not to refer to said 'septuagenarian' as a typical Titan fan!

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Wooster just won the NCAC tourney and has protected another Pool C bid. Wooster dominated the entire game and won 86-51!

Earlier today Wash U beat Chicago, which means another C bid is gone as Chicago was the Midwest Region's #1 team.

[northb]

Calvin Wins! Calvin Wins!  Cramer with 28, but not enough!  On to the big dance!

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Wow, where do I start!!!???

This just seems so typical of the last couple Hope games. A slow, uninspired first half followed by a more energetic second half. Against Alma Hope was able to get away with it but against a quality Calvin team Hope dug itself a 14 point hole at one point and was never able to come all the way back. Why is Hope starting games so slowly? Can we move the half time speech to before the game if we are fortunate enough to get a Pool C bid?

1) Great game by Cramer. I said to myself early on that it seemed he was the only player who was hitting his shots and playing with energy. I wish he would have tried to take over for Hope sooner than he did. A great effort by him, no doubt, I just think he needed to say "this is my game" sooner because he didn't get a lot of help.

2) How was the officiating? I know the Hope announcers were livid over a couple of no calls in the second half, particularly one on a Cramer shot and one on a Wolfe shot.

3) DVS: He must have been hurt because he only took 4 shots and he always takes more than just 4 shots. I sort of question his presence on the court in the last 5 minutes of the game as it was obvious to Calvin he was not an offensive threat at all. Why not have Wolfe in there at that point? Anyone at the game have thoughts on this after seeing DVS and how he moved.