MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ChicagoHopeNut]

NCAA Tourney:

Wooster won tonight but John Carroll lost a close game to Capital. As it stands now the Great Lakes Region looks like this

1) Lake Erie (AMCC automatic bid thanks to a win today)
2) Wooster (NCAC automatic bid thanks to a blowout today)
3) John Carrol (Lost in the finals and probably stands a good chance at a pool c)
4) Hope (Lost in the finals, will probably be competing with JCU for a Pool C, I think one of the two schools is in but I am not so sure both schools are in.)
5) Ohio Northern (Lost in quarterfinals and probably is done for the year)
6) Witt (Lost in the semis and probably is done as well)

Those of you that know more about the Pool C and QoWI what do you think Hope's chances are? One of the last teams in maybe?

[northb]

I think the key for Calvin tonight is to control DVS.   He can be deadly from the 3-point line and can lay a dagger in the opposing team. 

That was the call, gk68

[Grutte Dirk]

Wow, where do I start!!!???

3) DVS: He must have been hurt because he only took 4 shots and he always takes more than just 4 shots. I sort of question his presence on the court in the last 5 minutes of the game as it was obvious to Calvin he was not an offensive threat at all. Why not have Wolfe in there at that point? Anyone at the game have thoughts on this after seeing DVS and how he moved.

Why don't you ask his dad?

[Mr. Ypsi]

If I calculated correctly, Hope has a QOWI of 9.950 and an in-region winning % of .778 (or maybe .777 considering how the NCAA rounds!) - I can't imagine they won't make it.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

If I calculated correctly, Hope has a QOWI of 9.950 and an in-region winning % of .778 (or maybe .777 considering how the NCAA rounds!) - I can't imagine they won't make it.

I hope you are right. I just don't understand how a team that goes 23-4 wouldn't be in the NCAA tourney but that QoWI isn't great, although higher than last year's cut off I think. However, lots of people seemed concerned.

[scottiedawg]

I guess this year, Calvin was the better team.  My assessment of this and the last Hope loss is GVW.  I doubt even Calvin fans would argue the fact that we have more talent, and yet, we get jumped out the gate, and in a close game where we have the lead, are unable to step up with big plays and bring home a victory.  The mistakes were mental, characterized by bad passes and turnovers, and lax defense, and I think that reflects poorly on the coaching staff, specifically Glenn VanWieren.  VandeStreek has dominated VanWieren for the past two Hope-Calvin games.

p.s. DVS moved fine, no limp at all.  He just didn't play well. 

[doc]

Big props to the Knights.  After seeing the Select Bank Classic and the being at the CCIW/MIAA Challenge, I really was doubting this day would come.  KVS and the boys show they know how to peak at the right time.  Griffin is quickly becoming The Man, where last year that would have been Caleb's shot. . .

[Gregory Sager]

If I calculated correctly, Hope has a QOWI of 9.950 and an in-region winning % of .778 (or maybe .777 considering how the NCAA rounds!) - I can't imagine they won't make it.

I hope you are right. I just don't understand how a team that goes 23-4 wouldn't be in the NCAA tourney but that QoWI isn't great, although higher than last year's cut off I think. However, lots of people seemed concerned.

The overall record is completely irrelevant. Hope is 16-4 in regional play, and that's the only record that matters. I'm crunching the numbers, and mine are coming out differently than Mr. Y's. I'm not all that certain that Hope is gonna get a Pool C bid. At the very least we can agree that they are not a lock as of this point.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Hope is definitely not a Pool C lock. And I think 9.900 is the correct calculation as I have looked around at other boards.

UW Stevens Point just won in the WIAC final so that saves another Pool C bid for someone.

[Mr. Ypsi]

If I calculated correctly, Hope has a QOWI of 9.950 and an in-region winning % of .778 (or maybe .777 considering how the NCAA rounds!) - I can't imagine they won't make it.

I hope you are right. I just don't understand how a team that goes 23-4 wouldn't be in the NCAA tourney but that QoWI isn't great, although higher than last year's cut off I think. However, lots of people seemed concerned.

The overall record is completely irrelevant. Hope is 16-4 in regional play, and that's the only record that matters. I'm crunching the numbers, and mine are coming out differently than Mr. Y's. I'm not all that certain that Hope is gonna get a Pool C bid. At the very least we can agree that they are not a lock as of this point.

My numbers were wrong.  For the winning % I somehow used 14-4, rather than 16-4 (though I used 20 games for the QOWI - go figure!); for the QOWI I forgot it was a home game for Hope and gave them 7 points rather than 6.

The correct numbers are .800 winning % and 9.900 QOWI.  Unless there are several more upsets on the horizon, I think that is pretty safe, though not a lock.  (Though I'm basing that only on these two criteria - once the other three are included, things may be different.)

[Grutte Dirk]

I guess this year, Calvin was the better team.  My assessment of this and the last Hope loss is GVW.  I doubt even Calvin fans would argue the fact that we have more talent....

I think Calvin played hard when they wanted it.  I wish they'd wanted it a bit more during the season.

[BrainOfJ.]

I have a feeling that Calvin will not advance past the first round of the tournament. They won't be playing against Hope, and therefore won't be able to get up for the game. Without orange and blue staring them in the face they will again be the lackluster team that that really are.

[Dark Knight]

With an 18-9 record, Calvin is bound to have one of the lowest seedings of the region. I wonder what the chance is that they'll get paired up with Lake Erie in the first round -- the team with the highest regional ranking in the GL region. That would be kind of ironic -- Massey would favor Calvin to win on a neutral court.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

With an 18-9 record, Calvin is bound to have one of the lowest seedings of the region. I wonder what the chance is that they'll get paired up with Lake Erie in the first round -- the team with the highest regional ranking in the GL region. That would be kind of ironic -- Massey would favor Calvin to win on a neutral court.

I think I would favor Calvin to win on a neutral court as well. I am not convinced of Lake Erie's pedigree yet, especially after listening to the AMCC championship game today. Good team but certainly not great.

[AndersDY]

And since we will probably meet again in the MIAA title game, can someone put a hand in Veltema's face?? I think I saw him square up, lick his finger, and check the wind before one of his 3's and there still wasn't anyone in his face yet.

Does anyone ever listen to me? No, of course not...

I expected to look up the stats and see that like the women's game, Hope got owned on the boards, but rebounding was only a difference of 6. Calvin was just slightly better shooting 3's, we shot better at the line, and I was actually surprised Hope took more shots (our lack of second chances offset by Calvin's turnovers I suppose). There isn't one spot to point to that turned this game, but again Hope stumbles out of the gate and just can't quite make it all the way back. Last game Cramer was a no-show, this game he was most of the offense.

As has been discussed here before, Hope just never has that game-winning last second shot. If the game comes to that, Calvin is always the team that can step up. The VanderHeide shot from 3 could be questioned, but it was a clean open look. In the final 4.3 seconds, our best shot was our possibly dinged-up point guard with only 2 points in the books weaving through the defense without passing to any of 3 other players on the floor with their own capable 3 point shot? The officials were going to count it if it went, but I'm actually not convinced DVS even had the shot away (video replay has been turned down, correct?).

As is MIAA custom, some all over the place officiating (some explanation of 3 separate over-and-back calls might help me out tonight), but Hope didn't bring their best the whole way and didn't have a final trick when they needed one. If we're playing next week, hopefully we can be in it for 40 minutes, but wherever we go, it'll be nice to see a team we haven't already faced repeatedly (hint, hint, committee...)