MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

2007 Olivet didn't get enough negative points I see.  2006 Olivet actually almost upset Calvin twice that season! yikes!

Thats because I mistyped it, it should be the 2007 Olivet team.  Apologies for the missed heart beat. 

[MIAAFAN3002]

SAC...i loved your top 10 teams.. so I thought I would give you my top 10 players since  1999...I am sure people will disagree but its still fun to debate.  Here are my top 10 players in no order..

1.  Aaron Winkle
2. Jeremy Veenstra
3. Don Overbeek
4. Micheal Thomas
5. Travis Depree
6. Brandon Crawford
7. Dan Walter
8. Brian Schaefer
9. Steve Brooks
10.Dirk Rhinehart


honorable Mention:  Brett Quayle,  Dan Aultman,  Anthony Jones( he is top 10 for sure if he doesn't transfer) Stephen Cramer,  Ryan Klingler

I am sure people will disagree but those top 10 really left a lasting impression of me when i saw them play.. I would love to see other posters top 10 players.

[bionbrit]

SAC...i loved your top 10 teams.. so I thought I would give you my top 10 players since  1999...I am sure people will disagree but its still fun to debate.  Here are my top 10 players in no order..

1.  Aaron Winkle
2. Jeremy Veenstra
3. Don Overbeek
4. Micheal Thomas
5. Travis Depree
6. Brandon Crawford
7. Dan Walter
8. Brian Schaefer
9. Steve Brooks
10.Dirk Rhinehart


honorable Mention:  Brett Quayle,  Dan Aultman,  Anthony Jones( he is top 10 for sure if he doesn't transfer) Stephen Cramer,  Ryan Klingler

I am sure people will disagree but those top 10 really left a lasting impression of me when i saw them play.. I would love to see other posters top 10 players.

I like this topic. But there is no way Aultman isn't in this list. And I think my Albion bias has him to low.

1. Winkle (didn't see as much of him but heard all I need to know)
2. Veenstra (I always picture him at Albion vs. Hope with about 5 mins left after Overbeek scored a couple in a row yelling at the KVS that he would guard Overbeek and he shut him down and took the game over)
t3. I tried to rank Crawford Depree Thomas but I just couldn't come to do it
t3.
t3.
6. Aultman: see above
7. Overbeek: A lot of respect for the big fella, he took a lot of grief from the Krazies but I just think the other guys above are that good
8. Qualye: Him Brooks, and Rhinehart all played the same position graduated in the same year. I saw Qualye get the best of both of them and he won a championship his senior year
9. Rhinehart: I've talked about him in earlier posts that this guy was a tough cover
10. Cramer: I always felt he could have done what he did in this years tournament earlier and more frequently in his career. If he had he would be A LOT higher.

Close calls (no order)
Schaffer: Doing the list in my head before actually putting it down it shocked me that he didn't make the top 10. (Some good years in the MIAA)
Walters: Really good but not quite as good as Aultman or Depree at his same position
Brooks: Really good but not quite as good as Qualye, Rhinehart, Cramer at the same position
AJ/Barnes/Massey: Man if they could have kept these 3 and I remember a 6'8 kid from Detroit that had a cup of coffee with Alma
Schilts: He loved raining threes from the V-Ball line in Kresge
Phillips: I mean the guy was an A.A

[section7]

I knew Alma was going to back some sort of list for Ed's tenure!

In the interest of fair play, here's the bottom 10.  (a negative number means your pretty much getting your butt kicked every game)


66.--2001  Alma.............16.96
67.--1999  Adrian...........15.16
68.--1998  Olivet............13.96
69.--2007  Kalamazoo.....11.38
70.--2006  Adrian...........7.18
71.--2004  Alma............-1.79
72.--2007  Olivet...........-6.29
73.--2002  Alma............-22.94
74.--2007  Alma............-26.84
75.--2003  Alma............-47.80

[MIAAFAN3002]

bionbrit

I like your list...but I disagree with not putting schaefer and walter on the list.  I could see brooks not being on the list because he was so one dimensional.  you said Walter and Aultman played the same position but walter only played the 4  his senior year because Adrian was so small.  I think he played most of his career as a small forward.  As i think about it Aultman should be on there..he did score 1000 points in 2 years.

But I think Schaefer has to be on the list because if you look at the Adrian program there weren't many winning seasons before him or after him.  Even the year he sat out with injury they went 13-14 and that was with brooks and walter.  Plus you have to look at all the points, assist and steals with him.  He was probably the most complete player on the list offensively and defensively. 

[Ralph Turner]

Starting Line-ups: Calvin vs. UW-Eau Claire -- 2000 D-III Finals   

[bionbrit]

bionbrit

I like your list...but I disagree with not putting schaefer and walter on the list. 

Both of those guys were studs but who would you take off? Like I said I shocked myself not having schaffer on the list he was for sure #11.

[MIAAFAN3002]

You put Schaeefer and Walter in front of Cramer, Rhinehart and Qualye.  They both have better numbers than all 3 of those guys.  Qualye to me was a guy who could of been a lot more dominated if he didn't play for Coach Turner.  I think Turner held him back.  If i am correct i do not think Qualye started until his senior year.  Qualye only scored a little more than a 1000 points.. schaefer had over 1500 and walter had over 1600. 

[bionbrit]

Its a tough argument, if you base it on points then those two guys from Adrian and Steve Brooks are all on the top 10, but to me its more then scoring. Travis Depree barely had 1000 points as well should we take him off?  For me winning gets you a lot more points. The only guy on my list that didn't win atleast 1 league title most had multiple was Rhinehart. So maybe you could swich him and Schaffer t and if I really took the time to compare numbers maybe I would, but o well. Yes Qualye didn't start until his senior year, they also didn't start winning until his senior year. I've heard over a dozen time the guys on 04-05 Elite 8 team give credit to qualye and chris hawkins for things they did to get the program rolling that year.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Why is it only July??? I can't wait 3 more months!!!

[arena]

Why is it only July??? I can't wait 3 more months!!!

You can wait.  Those Hope losses will be here soon enough.   

[GoKnights68]

I was by Calvin earlier today and was checking out the construction on the new fieldhouse.   It looks like it is coming alone pretty nicely.  Well  actually there is just mainly a bunch of dirt and construction machines everywhere.  8)

[wolverinekeith]

Anyone here have a handle on any out-of-state recruits Calvin is bringing in? 

Info is hard to track down. 

Jimmy Strunk ought to be a nice addition off the bench next year, that's for sure. 

[gohope]

Why is it only July??? I can't wait 3 more months!!!

Right there with you!!!  But the season will be here sooner than you think!!!

[hoopdreams]

Jimmy will be a great addition.  When he's feeling it, he cannot be stopped.  Unfortunately for calvin fans, he's real inconsistent, all or nothing.  An average ballhandler, and poor defender in HS but it will be improved.  Loves the game.  Probably will contribute like wolfe from hope with a better offensive package

Knight fans are going to love Bryan Vanharn, and I predict that he will be a big contributor sooner than later.  Great feel for the game, and playmaker. the type of kid you love to play with.  Looked like he had been playing with the varsity kids for years at the courthouse the other night. really comfortable.