MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[pointlem]

The stat that stood out to me more than any yesterday is that DVS and Carter, our first two PGs, combined for a grand total of 1 assist! I realize Hope still won and there is no doubt DVS contributed some nice shooting yesterday but 1 assist from your PG position is not the way you win over the course of the year. Any thoughts?

Checking the bigger picture, after four games the two point guards have combined for 17 assists and 9 TOs.  Kelvin Carter, in 49 minutes of play, has 5 assists and, as yet, no turnovers.  So yesterday seems an anomaly.

[PicknRoll]

DC - I would agree a team would like to get more assists (despite Hope playing good basketball anyway). Without seeing Hope play this year I was thinking of a few explanations why DVS doesn't have more assists.
1. Hope used to, not sure if they are still this year, but they run the swing offense. Yeah the point gaurd brings the ball up, but I know when Immink, and previous hope PGs, a major role of his was to basically enter the ball into the swing, not necesarily create offense himself.

2. Hope has a lot of talented players that can create offense themselves. I would agree you don't want to rely on this, but Hope is usually more talented than oponents, which can lead to guys simply out playing whoever is gaurding them.

Mind you this is without seeing Hope play in quite some time, but its my two cents.

[HopeConvert]

Remarkably of course the loss to  Wheaton does nothing to harm NCAA selection or seeding, as its an invisible game in the in-region category.  They have the look of a potential MIAA Champion though.

Yes. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, the Carthage game will count as an in-region game for Calvin (and Hope) since it is less than 200 miles from Grand Rapids to Kenosha if you take the ferry.

[almcguirejr]

I dont even know what to say. This team is so talented but seems weak in the head. And they have another tough one this week to bounce back to. Looks like the captains are going to have to dig deep and get the team fired up and back to basics.

What Calvin needs is you to come to back and put these guys through some basic training to achieve some mental and physical toughness.   

[realist]

HC:  If memory serves correct both games are "in region for Hope, but neither is for Calvin.  That alone is a strong reason to consider an ACC/Big 10 matchup, but the MIAA is much better served if they do so with a conference in our region than with CCIW.  Nothing against the CCIW, just makes more sense to get the region credits.  (Unless of course you L).

[sac]

Remarkably of course the loss to  Wheaton does nothing to harm NCAA selection or seeding, as its an invisible game in the in-region category.  They have the look of a potential MIAA Champion though.

Yes. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, the Carthage game will count as an in-region game for Calvin (and Hope) since it is less than 200 miles from Grand Rapids to Kenosha if you take the ferry.

Neither game was in-region for Calvin, both games were in-region for Hope............and still incredibly stupid.

Calvin's only in-region games will be MIAA contests, Hope has Elmhurst, Roanoke and their miaa contests.

[HopeConvert]

Remarkably of course the loss to  Wheaton does nothing to harm NCAA selection or seeding, as its an invisible game in the in-region category.  They have the look of a potential MIAA Champion though.

Yes. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, the Carthage game will count as an in-region game for Calvin (and Hope) since it is less than 200 miles from Grand Rapids to Kenosha if you take the ferry.

Neither game was in-region for Calvin, both games were in-region for Hope............and still incredibly stupid.

Calvin's only in-region games will be MIAA contests, Hope has Elmhurst, Roanoke and their miaa contests.

Then I must be confused. I ran mapquest and google maps, and it's 180 miles from Calvin to Carthage if you take the ferry. Why wouldn't it count as an in-region game, given what we went through last year on this?

[realist]

Over the years KVS has done a fairly decent job building teams, and he is in that process now.  When he first got to Calvin he set about installing what he thinks is the best system to win games, and based on the records it is hard to argue with that plan. However, the first couple years weren't all that pretty or successful.   We talk alot about chemistry, and that is among players, and with the coaches.  The one thing that struck me as  Calvin hit the floor against Wash. U. was the players had confidence in themselves, and each other.  More importantly they all seemed happy, and win or lose they were going to give it their best shot.  I don't think the Calvin players have been having much fun the last 4 games.  In contrast Hope players (with the exception of the AQ game) seemed to be having fun.
J. Mantel (and any other player) will only get better by being on the floor, making plays, learning, and having some fun.

[sac]

Just to add to the confusion, D3hoops has Carthage as in-region for Calvin.
Roanoke is not in-region for Hope.

Here is what D3hoops has for what makes a game in-region

What is a regional game?

A game can be classified as regional in any of three ways.

Both teams are full Division III members (or third- or fourth-year provisional members) and:

1) are in the same Division III member conference or same region as defined by the appropriate Division III basketball committee. That list of regions is linked in the right-hand rail on this page.

2) The teams are within 200 miles of each other via the NCAA's approved mapping software.

3) The teams are within the same NCAA administrative region. Those regions are defined below.

Region 1: Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont.

Region 2: New York, Pennsylvania.

Region 3: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia.

Region 4: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

If the teams are in the same region by any one of these three definitions, it is a regional game.


Hope v Roanoke should qualify as in region, by administrative region.   Calvin v Carthage, Hope v Carthage do not qualify under the criteria outlined above.......unless you use the magic ferry.  However I believe the NCAA grandfathered in the Hope/Carthage game saying they counted it as in-region before.  There is no reason Carthage/Calvin should be in-reason other than using a ferry you cannot take in winter.

[HopeConvert]

Where do you find the immediate information about what games are being counted in-region?

[sac]

Where do you find the immediate information about what games are being counted in-region?

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=44

[HopeConvert]

Where do you find the immediate information about what games are being counted in-region?

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=44

Thanks, but I meant the place where it said the NCAA was going to count Carthage but not Roanoke.

[sac]

Where do you find the immediate information about what games are being counted in-region?

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=44

Thanks, but I meant the place where it said the NCAA was going to count Carthage but not Roanoke.

From Hope's schedule on D3hoops...........Roanoke doesn't have the little dot Pat uses to signify an in-region opponent.

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/Hope/mens/2008

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Well how ever it works out for Calvin those are two great in-region wins for Hope. Really a great weekend.

[Erm Schmigget]

Well how ever it works out for Calvin those are two great in-region wins for Hope. Really a great weekend.

Ibid.

It's great to see some strong contributions from some of the freshmen, as well as the consistently good play from MVH.  I hope the past two weekends set the tone for the entire season (overtime loss notwithstanding--that game saw a pretty good 30 min. from Hope...too bad for them the game lasted 45 min. ).

I honestly would like to have seen a better performance from Calvin.  I've been hoping that the MIAA would come out of the pre-conference season with a much-improved record over last year.  Yesterday's game obviously didn't help.  Step it up, Knighties!  Until Jan. 26, of course.  Then you can have a relapse.   

By the way, I was looking into the results of some other teams in the top 25.  Anyone know what happened that Wooster's record went from 3-0 to 2-2?   

I also noticed that K-zoo is 0-1 in the conference while everyone else is 0-0.  The PF and PA listed reflects the score of their game vs. Hillsdale.  I seem to remember someone saying they were once an MIAA member.  Are they making some sort of gradual re-entry?  Maybe next year Olivet will play them, too?  Some sort of super-secret probation thing?  ......   Pat?  ......  Just  wondering.