MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[almcguirejr]

They just beat a team, that at the moment, is clearly the second best team in the conference.  

What is your basis for making that statement?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Nevertheless, I do not understand the theory that GVW is infallible that seems to permeate this board.

DC - I won't argue that there may be some who think GVW is infallible - I'm not one of them.  His substitution patterns often drive me crazy!!!  But you also have to allow people to disagree with your characterization of the game last night.  By your own admission, you haven't seen a live Hope game in several years (I think that's what you said).  Not that that makes your observations invalid, but it might be different than someone who watches every game.  

From my seat (with a direct view of the bench) I witnessed a fair amount of coaching taking place during the first half - an amount I though was appropriate.  

So what went wrong in the first half:
- The team had 8 turnovers in the half (and the team average 15.2 per game this year) so I don't see a huge problem there to warrant a time out.  

- The team took 25 shots (the average per game is 60.5) so there's not a problem with lack of possessions, especially against an Albion team that always slows down the game.  Not sure a time out helps here either.

- The biggest issue was the terrible shooting percentage (24%).  I know everyone wants to see that higher, but you're probably not going to help poor shooting with a timeout.  Sometimes you just have to shoot your way out of it - like Hope did in the second half.  
I also think the coaches realized that the team was coming in off a long layoff and they didn't need to over-react to the poor shooting.

[sac]

I've seen about 30-40 Hope/Albion games and neither coach has ever called a lot of first half timeouts, they both like to let the games flow on their own.

Sometimes the other guy calls a timeout when you need one yourself.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Nevertheless, I do not understand the theory that GVW is infallible that seems to permeate this board.

DC - I won't argue that there may be some who think GVW is infallible - I'm not one of them.  His substitution patterns often drive me crazy!!!  But you also have to allow people to disagree with your characterization of the game last night.  By your own admission, you haven't seen a live Hope game in several years (I think that's what you said).  Not that that makes your observations invalid, but it might be different than someone who watches every game. 

From my seat (with a direct view of the bench) I witnessed a fair amount of coaching taking place during the first half - an amount I though was appropriate. 

I think everyone has a right to view the game as they seem appropriate. I may disagree and argue my viewpoint but I hope I have not personally attacked anyone. If I did, I apologize because that was not my intention. I think most of my frustration comes from the fact I was personally attacked (I am not talking karma here, that's not a big deal) for offering an opinion that was against the grain of the majority of the board.

From my view it did not seem GVW did a great amount of in game coaching the first half but I understand others may have had a different interpretation of what they saw. Perfectly legitimate. I also agree that timeouts won't solve shots that just aren't falling.

What shocks me is that Hope only had 8 first half turnovers!!!! It seemed like 20 at the game. I can think of a few cases where a guard dribbled into traffic then dribbled the ball off of his foot or the defenders and Hope lost possession. I really thought that happened to many times and that Hope was not working to get the ball low to MVH or Klein enough. I would like to have seen a timeout to discuss that fact. At one point MVH went absolutely nuts about 15 or 20 seconds into a possession screaming "4" because the motion offense minus a called play wasn't working. They ran the play which led to a nice post up lay up for Klein off of a MVH pass. The first two baskets of the game came under similar low post shots. I wonder why there wasn't more of that.

[gohope]

First of all, I have never coached college basketball, and you couldn't pay me enough to do that or become President of the United States (a FAR stretch in my analagy, but the local radio station continues to talk about the Presidential race and I guess its rubbing off!!! ) but... in regards to DCHopenut's comment, "and most importantly NO time outs to discuss.", I have to agree with him in regards to GVW's lack of taking time outs. Many times I'm thinking to myself, Glenn, take a time-out, take a time-out, and believe it or not, every once in a while he does!  But... I go back to my first words of this post and the recent SAC posting that, "Saturday Dr. VanWieren will be looking for win #600" and I guess its MUCH easier to "coach" from the seats (that many of us occupy) vs. being THE coach!

And... it sure is nice to have basketball season back so that breaks to read d3hoops brings some fun to all of our days!!!

[Stinger]

Plus Karma to TR if only he was an official d3hoopster!!!   

Please, God, no...

Nevertheless, I do not understand the theory that GVW is infallible that seems to permeate this board.

Right on, DC. Get's a little ridiculous no?

[scottiedawg]

They just beat a team, that at the moment, is clearly the second best team in the conference. 

What is your basis for making that statement?

Overall record, quality of wins, and the fact that Albion ranks 1st or 2nd in most team statistical categories.  Talent wise, we all know Calvin is superior to Albion, and perhaps Hope.  On the court, right now, Albion is playing much better basketball than Calvin.  That's my opinion, but I think most knowledgeable MIAA fans would agree, especially because of the caveats on Calvin. 

[Stinger]

Although it was a win vs 0-9 Alma, I think the Hornets can  only build confidence in their win last night.  They went on the road to Alma on a Wednesday night (never a fun trip) and battled out a win over an Alma team that seems to be improving. K is still not shooting the ball well as a team, but their 2 horses in McCain and Kellogg are pulling them through. Henry had another double-double last night in an impressive performance.     And cheers to Matt Wagner for his 12 point effort last night.

4 wins in a row going into a game against a solid Albion team. However this is a game at the Rolla Dome, and I know RP will have them ready to hold court.  If K can get anywhere close to only 5 turnovers like last night, I like their chances.

[scottiedawg]

Does anyone know why Wes Weir of Tri-State hasn't played in about a month?

[ziggy]

Does anyone know why Wes Weir of Tri-State hasn't played in about a month?

ACL injury, he won't return this year.  Dougie Fresh wondered the same thing last night on the broadcast and found out he is injured for the year.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Does anyone know why Wes Weir of Tri-State hasn't played in about a month?

ACL injury, he won't return this year.  Dougie Fresh wondered the same thing last night on the broadcast and found out he is injured for the year.

That's a shame - never like to see a kid out for a whole season with an injury. 

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Nevertheless, I do not understand the theory that GVW is infallible that seems to permeate this board.

Right on, DC. Get's a little ridiculous no?

About as bad as the dislike for everything Hope/Dutch some folks have   

[northb]

Does anyone know why Wes Weir of Tri-State hasn't played in about a month?

ACL injury, he won't return this year.  Dougie Fresh wondered the same thing last night on the broadcast and found out he is injured for the year.

That's a shame - never like to see a kid out for a whole season with an injury. 

Speaking of which, Hope seems to have broken their curse of losing big-name players to injury in the pre-conference season.


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[almcguirejr]

Second, the ever unpopular GVW discussion.
Caveats: I had GVW as a professor, I think he is a great person. Second, I am sure he has forgotten more about basketball than I and most everyone else on this board will ever know.

Nevertheless, I do not understand the theory that GVW is infallible that seems to permeate this board. Any time someone questions a decision GVW makes the person is lambasted as a "nut job" and their karma takes a serious knock. I realize this is D3 and Hope has a particularly supportive fan base. In NO way am I suggesting Hope alum or students should rise up to push out GVW as coach (like the guy at U Washington who offered $100K if Ty Willingham is fired). He has had a great history and will and should leave on his own terms. But that doesn't mean its inappropriate for fans to wonder about some of the decisions that are and have been made by the coaching staff over the years. Moreover, I assure you I am not alone on some of my questions. I may be the only one willing to express them on this board but I have had conversations with many other alum who follow the team over the years that have left games scratching their heads just like me.

Your opinions are a refreshing change from the usual company line out of Holland.

[sac]

You can criticize officials, coaches, ballboys, ushers, concession workers all you want.  As long as you understand how silly your posts look to other people.  Whiney is a good word thats been used to describe Hope fans and their relationship with officials.  I try my best to break that stereotype but have been caught up in the individual criticism of past officiated games myself.  In hindsight those thoughts look really dumb.

I watched a really tough hard fought game, exactly the kind of game I thought it might be, and to my dismay I read 15 posts about how bad the officials and coaching was.    I couldn't even pick out the officials in a lineup, cause I was watching two teams competeing fighting and scraping for every tiny edge to get a big W.

People would be well served to go back and read past posts and you'll see how whiney and downright dumb some thoughts can be.  Trends do not lie.  I personally see no point in calling out a coach or individual player, paritcularly when family members, friends or the individual in question may be reading.  It serves no purpose.