MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[thealmascots]

For those of you out there who are older than 20.  I would like to hear about your most memorable Calvin/Hope games.  I know we have some on this board who have been witnessing these games back to the early 80's or before.

[Stinger]

For those of you out there who are older than 20.  I would like to hear about your most memorable Calvin/Hope games.  I know we have some on this board who have been witnessing these games back to the early 80's or before.

No, please, No!!  Just go back and read the board!

[realist]

Okay Stinger you win.   

[hope_hoops1]

A big determining factor in Saturday's game IMHO will be which team can take advantage of mismatches.  Calvin has gone back to the three guard lineup which means Griffin will be on Klein, Reimink or MVH and vice versa.  Calvin will no doubt double team strong on any of the three in the post in this situation and Hope must take advantage with the open shots and driving lanes as a result.  On the other end, Hope needs to stick close to Griffin as he seems to be one of those players to respond well in the rivalry.  I would expect Reimink or Klein to guard him after MVH's problems with him in the MIAA Conference tourny, so hopefully they can stay out of foul trouble.  Should be another great game.  Hopefully both teams bring their "A" games without any injuries so we can have another classic on our hands.   Oh yeah, and a Hope win would be nice too .

[ChicagoHopeNut]

The link below is not a D3 story but its a great story about one of the ways athletics can be used to raise awareness for a good cause.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=3210742

[bulldogalum]

Check out this link. Sounds like Adrian is in hot water with the US Department of Education's Civil Rights Division over Adrian's new sports upgrades. Maybe bulldogalum can defend his alma mater and use it as a career starter. 8)

http://freep.com:80/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080124/NEWS05/801240370/1001

One quote from this article is:
"Among the more notable complaints is one that the $6.5-million Multisport Performance Stadium, completed in 2006, has no women's locker room but a men's locker room with lounge furniture and a plasma screen TV set.

Creehan called that an oversight and noted that an adjoining facility, the Merillat Sport & Fitness Center, has a women's locker room, and other women's locker rooms on campus have plasma TV sets."

Now I have not visited Adrian since it begin this overhaul nor do I know if the women's locker rooms at Merillat were there prior to the addition or if they were renovated around the same time. I would think that if this were the case the fact the Multisport Stadium (really that's the best name Adrian could think of?) has a men's locker room but not a women's may cancel out.  There would be a lot of factual questions that would have to be answered but the mere fact there is not a women's locker room in Multisport is not dispositive of a violation.

However, the question of whether or not there are plasma tv sets in the locker rooms!!! I mean I don't think that the point of Title IX was to ensure the exact same tv sets and screen size in locker rooms. (And I would suggest if we are at the point where that is one of the larger issues that Title IX investigations are now dealing with that we have made a great deal of progress overall in the last 30 years).

There are several womens locker rooms in the Merillat Center, and there are also several mens locker rooms.  Without getting into the legal merits of what Adrian did (and this was the first I've heard of it), I think the main reason for the new locker room for the men was to accommodate the football team, who hadn't played games on campus in over 50 years.  While they were spread out in the old mens locker rooms in the Merillat Center before, the setup was hardly conducive to pregame and halftime meetings of 100+ players and coaches.  No womens team has that many participants, not even close, so they wouldn't need a big new locker room. 

I know nothing of the plasma screen disparity in the locker rooms, but I know that 2 years ago when they upgraded the weight room and training facilities, they put plasmas in those facilities, as well as in some of the common areas of the Merillat center.  It would make sense that, around the same time, they would have added plasmas in some of the locker rooms.

[realist]

Quoting from scotiedog:  "Will the refs call the game close and get the Dutchmen into foul trouble, or will they call the game loose, and allow the Dutchmen to assert themselves physically over the Knights?  .........  The Dutchmen also lead the MIAA in steals per game.  This does not come without poking, prodding, reaching, grabbing, colliding, trapping, and other various forms of physical defense that could result in fouls. "  
Now that is a classic preemptive strike if I ever read one.  It seems to me if the Hope players do what is mentioned above, and the refs "call the game close" it is really the players getting themselves into foul trouble by their actions.  The refs will simply be holding the players accountable for their actions.  
I will be disappointed if Hope doesn't find it necessary to play a physical game.  My concern is that Calvin match that in style and intensity.  

[MIdoubleA]

Perhaps it is part of GVW's master plan to unleash the freshmen for their first rivalry game... but I doubt it.

I've left the last few Hope games with the same thought: Where in the World is Steven Kratz?

Sure, he logs minutes and they are solid, but they are far from the stellar play I remember from him as a freshman. Perhaps he and Veltema are off somewhere is a sophmore slump.

My advice to the freshmen would be this:

A solid defensive effort will be worth more Saturday than a solid offensive effort.

Things to keep in mind as we watch each of the newbies:

Tanis needs to choose his shots carefully. Don't just run and gun. One airball and he'll hear it for 4 years.
Bowser and Sharples, if they find themselves in the paint, need to use their athleticism to play bigger.
Kelvin needs to keep doing what he is doing. Defense will win the game. Slow down their guards and he will be just fine

[NW Hope Fan]

Okay Stinger you win.   

Are you talking tennis? 

[sac]

For those of you out there who are older than 20.  I would like to hear about your most memorable Calvin/Hope games.  I know we have some on this board who have been witnessing these games back to the early 80's or before.

I still think about the 63-62 MIAA Tournament Championship  game in 1997 as one of the best Hope wins in the series.   Along with the suprising win in the same tournament game in 2002.   

The 3 neutral site games in recent years were pretty cool as well.


We've played 12 games in 3 seasons, its just so hard for any of those to stand out, they all kind of bleed together.

[chihope]

as a silent reader of these posts for the past two years i just want to say
i really enjoy many of the insightful observations i have read and would like
to meet the hope fans on the board
as a former player at calvin it is strange to come to appreciate the hope
community and become a part of it
i have been thinking about the first time playing in the civic center as a freshman and wondering if they were going to turn all the lights on and i also think as a sophmore the game at calvin was one of the first to shown on local tv

[Civic Minded]

as a silent reader of these posts for the past two years i just want to say
i really enjoy many of the insightful observations i have read and would like
to meet the hope fans on the board
as a former player at calvin it is strange to come to appreciate the hope
community and become a part of it
i have been thinking about the first time playing in the civic center as a freshman and wondering if they were going to turn all the lights on and i also think as a sophmore the game at calvin was one of the first to shown on local tv

Welcome, chihope!  Let us know when you'll be around -- there are several of us who enjoy meeting other posters.   

As a student at Hope in the late '70's - early '80's, it was pretty exciting to finally break Calvin's winning streak (I still have the newspaper articles to prove it!).    But I don't think I fully realized until recently how big a deal it was.  I'm glad I got to experience it though.

[sac]

Speaking of games from the past........this very game marks the 10 year anniversary of one of the series all-time individual performances and maybe one its all time better games.  A game that probably typifies the series in a nutshell.


On Jan. 17, 1998  Hope's  Dave Meuhlenberg scored 36 points on 13-14 shooting from the floor and 10-14 from the line, pulled down 9 rebounds in 41 minutes of playing time.......oh and didn't commit a single turnover.  Hope won the game 87-85 in overtime.

Also from that game, Joel Holstege had 10 assists to go with his 13 points.  Calvin's Sam Hargraves was 8-12 from 3 point range scoring 26 points.  The rest of the players in the game were 5-26 combined.  Aaron Winkle had 14, Rob Velthouse 14, Russ Iwema 11


Hope came into this game 14-1 on a 14 game winning streak while Calvin was 7-6 on the season and coming off a double-overtime loss at Adrian a week earlier.  None of that seemed to matter in the game.  Hope led by 12 after the first 8 minutes.  Calvin then outscored Hope by 22 the rest of the half to lead 46-36.  Hope ground their way back into the ballgame in the second half and tied it at 71-71, leading for a grand total of 22 seconds.  Dan VanHekken's 3 with 1:30 left in OT was probably the clincher giving Hope a 82-77 lead.


At this time in the rivalry the series stood at Calvin 70 Hope 69, Hope had scored just 6 more points after this game.

Not a heck of alot has changed.

Edit*--The win also gave Hope their 9th consecutive win over Calvin, breaking the old school record of 8.  They went on to defeat Calvin 84-73 later that season and the streak stopped at 10 games with a Calvin victory in game one of 1999.

[GoVols]

I'm thinking teams like Adrian and Alma should have gotten Hope prepared for the three-guard offense. Trouble is, a second-unit meltdown like the one suffered the other night won't go as unnoticed against Calvin.

A big determining factor in Saturday's game IMHO will be which team can take advantage of mismatches.  Calvin has gone back to the three guard lineup which means Griffin will be on Klein, Reimink or MVH and vice versa.  Calvin will no doubt double team strong on any of the three in the post in this situation and Hope must take advantage with the open shots and driving lanes as a result.  On the other end, Hope needs to stick close to Griffin as he seems to be one of those players to respond well in the rivalry.  I would expect Reimink or Klein to guard him after MVH's problems with him in the MIAA Conference tourny, so hopefully they can stay out of foul trouble.  Should be another great game.  Hopefully both teams bring their "A" games without any injuries so we can have another classic on our hands.   Oh yeah, and a Hope win would be nice too .

[dannymac]

I am, of course, horribly biased in this by the fact that I was there, and with a seriously limited number of games to draw from I'm not sure how much my opinion matters anyway, but if I was to pick the best Calvin/Hope Matchup that I can think of, I would pick the game in Fieldhouse during Calvin's 99-2000 championship season.

Time's running out, Winkle has the ball. Foltice and Karsten are both wide open but Winkle decides to take the shot with some Hope guy (I never learned their names, sorry, they were just the enemy...  ) all over him, makes the ugliest trey I have ever seen in my life to send the game into overtime, and then we ride Veenstra for the win in overtime.

I will probably see that shot in my minds eye for the rest of my life. It was beyond ugly, the Hope player might as well have been sharing his jersey, it should never have gone in... but go in it did.

Beautiful.