MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[GoKnights68]

One thing that I have not seen on here yet since the Hope/Calvin game last Saturday was how once again KVS got out coached.  On Calvin's defensive end Hope took advantage of the same weakness that Calvin has had since KVS arrived 11 years ago.  GVW knows this, Mike Turner knows this, Buck Riley knows this...anyone who pays attention knows this.  Swing the ball quickly or make a skip pass and a shooter is wide open on the weakside.  Mr. Wolfe was the recipient in this case as he took wide open 3's time and time again.  As good as Vander Heide was, this was the difference in the game.  On the offensive end there is no plan.  It's just a series of one on one moves.  When it comes down to crunch time and the pressure is cranked up and they are facing the defensive itensity at its highest, they have no ability to create a quality shot for themselves.  Guys like Veldhouse are talented enough that sometimes they come through anyway, but they never have the benefit of a coach diagraming anything for them. 
Calvins teams have had a ton of talent for a long time, but they are always underachieving.  KVS 30% winning percentage against Hope has to start raising some eyebrows at some point.

I agree to your extent about your analyst about their offense, and somewhat with your defense analyst.    I've brought it up quite a bit in here about their problems on offense with standing around too much and just having all one on one stuff(this season and last season).  I will say two things about KVS's offense.  One is that its style usually starts working towards tournament time, with the evidence of winning 3 out of the last 4 MIAA tourneys, including the 2005 final four, and of course the success Calvin had earlier this decade.  And Second is, I think the offense may look not as pretty this season and last season due to the players, especially at the leadership position.  The 2006 Calvin team didn't have that much talent, but their offense clicked well for the most part and they won the MIAA regular season outright due to the leadership of Draayer and Trewella who got everyone to run the offense well with them.


Would have to disagree with you about "Calvin always underachieving."  They've made the last 4 tourneys, which is a tough thing to do in division 3 bball and with Hope in your league.

[GoKnights68]

Good to be back fully posting on the board.  I'm glad basketball starts back up tomorrow night, as there sure has been a lot of talk about student sections in here the last few days.

I know some of the players personally and they really wanted that one Saturday(obviously), so we'll see how they respond to Wednesday night and the last half of the MIAA regular season.

[GoVols]

Given their current W-L record, is winning the MIAA tournament the only way Calvin is going to make the national tournament?

[GoKnights68]

Given their current W-L record, is winning the MIAA tournament the only way Calvin is going to make the national tournament?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is.  Looks like Calvin is going to be in the same situation last year, where they have to get into the big tourney by beating Hope at their place.  Hopefully Calvin can hold the number 2 spot, though, so they wouldn't have to face Hope till the finals.

[hope1]

good luck  driving today    to the games tonight  maye some could be cancled   hope is  closed till  12.00  today

[hope80]

drules:  Sadly you have been able to pinpoint Calvin's most serious problem.  Engelsma or Veltema or Zoerhof or Koetsier or some other forward has to be inside to take some pressure off Mantel.  That is one of the reasons I am not a fan of the 3 guard offense as it hurts Calvin too much inside esp. rebounding.  Calvin did not even attempt to play a physical game.  None of Hope's guards shot a free throw.  What's up with that?  All that said I still think Calvin actually played a better game than Hope did considering all the talent available to each team.     Like some other posters have said it is no sin to lose to a better team, and IMHO Hope made that point.  However, I agree with the Hope posters that the team that played Sat. won't last long come March. 

Its repeatedly being said Hope lost to the better team Saturday.  So the question becomes, why is the better team only 9-7?

I think Realist's point was that considering their level of talent (inferior), Calvin did well to stay in the game with a team with Hope's level of talent (superior).

[ChicagoHopeNut]

I've noticed on Hope's website that they are postponing the opening of school until 12. (Wow, I don't think that ever happened while I was a student there!) How do things look in western Michigan, should I be afraid they may cancel games tonight?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I've noticed on Hope's website that they are postponing the opening of school until 12. (Wow, I don't think that ever happened while I was a student there!) How do things look in western Michigan, should I be afraid they may cancel games tonight?

It's a real possibility that games could be cancelled.  We went from thunderstorms, heavy rain, and 50 degrees yesterday afternoon/early evening to single digits overnight, winds in the 20-40 mph range, and snow (windchill aroun -20).  Roads are a glaze of ice (the rain that froze) topped with snow, and visibility between 0 - 0.25 mile. 

Tom Renner mention on the radio this morning that in his tenure at Hope, this is either the 3rd of 4th time they have adjusted classes due to weather.

Hey - we're in Michigan!!!

[section7]

Assuming there is a Hope vs 3 State game tonight, can someone confirm what the actual official tip-off time is:

The tickets say TBA,

The wallet schedule and schedule mailed with the season tix say 8 PM,

and the MIAA website says 7:30PM.

Anyone know for sure?

Thanks

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Assuming there is a Hope vs 3 State game tonight, can someone confirm what the actual official tip-off time is:

The tickets say TBA,

The wallet schedule and schedule mailed with the season tix say 8 PM,

and the MIAA website says 7:30PM.

Anyone know for sure?

Thanks

The Hope website also says 7:30 as does the internet link for the live broadcast. In my experience, Hope has only played at 8PM on the few occasions where the women had a home game before. Since the women have the night off I think if they play tonight it would be at 7:30.

[Civic Minded]

Assuming there is a Hope vs 3 State game tonight, can someone confirm what the actual official tip-off time is:

The tickets say TBA,

The wallet schedule and schedule mailed with the season tix say 8 PM,

and the MIAA website says 7:30PM.

Anyone know for sure?

Thanks

The game was originally scheduled for 8:00.  At the last home game the change to 7:30 was announced, and it has been updated on the website.  Gametime, 7:30.

[Hopester]

Yep 7:30 played as scheduled, won't be canceled or delayed.

As for the weather, it was brutal. Rained until around 10 then snowed all night, causing the water to freeze underneath the snow.

[ziggy]

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Why is GWV playing an injured guy in a critical game like that?

Probably because he discussed it with his player, the player's parents and a team or family physician, and even injured, his experience/ability was better than someone on the bench.
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Looks to me that you assessed the situation at least partly correctly.  Bold added for emphasis. 

[realist]

Without intending to do so I seem to have caused a number of posts.
At this time it should be obvious to all that Hope is the better team, and that it has better talent.  For goodness sake Hope is #4, and Calvin is 9-7.  "This isn't rocket science".
Calvin has many talented players, but either some have them over rated, or they are underachievers, or KVS hasn't figured how to make it all click.  My guess is a combination of all 3.   
Frankly I don't expect any last minute miracle runs from Calvin this year.  I agree with Thelmascot in that this is definitely not KVS's best job coaching.
You can hear the frustration in his voice, and read it in his comments. 
I agree that Calvin is still a dangerous team, but last Sat. we saw a Hope team have a subpar performance (for them), and still manage to win.   

[oldknight]

last Sat. we saw a Hope team have a subpar performance (for them), and still manage to win.   

You're kidding, right?  I thought Hope was terrific, especially in the second half (17 of 28 from the floor). GVW thought so too. I don't remember his exact words but in his postgame comments he essentially said that Hope played as well as they had in any game this season--and that they needed to in order to win.