MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[hoopdreams]

was it classy for Wolfe to pump his fist after hitting a 3 on Saturday?  Griffin yelling after the reverse layup to start the h-c game?  Hope team and fans whooping it up each time dan holt does anything?  Unless a kid verbally or physically. (push ,trip,etc...)I think we can cut a kid some slack. I could be wrong, but I did not see any member of the coaching staff talk to him after the incident.  More importantly... No let down tonight!!!

[GoKnights68]

Calvin pulls away in the end to win by 10.  Pretty quiet game, atmosphere-wise, with pretty low attendance tonight.  Calvin did a better job tonight with moving without the ball, but it seemed they often just went through the motions.  There was barely any fast break points tonight at all as Calvin and Olivet did a nice job taking care of the ball.  Olivet had a couple of real good 3-point shooters, and Calvin let those two players wide-open on the perimeter far too often.  Veldhouse still seems to be struggling with his 3-point shot.

[hope1]

good game last night for hope now on to albion could be a really tough game

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Wolfe was huge last night - first half scoring, and not to go un-noticed, he was on Benford in the second half (Tony had 11 in the first half), and held him to only 4 points while Wolfe was guarding him. 

2 down, 1 to go.

JV game - 94 - 49 Hope and it wasn't that close.   Every player scored and I think Keyser, Boersma, Stegman, Cox, and Kooy each had around a dozen points.

[realist]

Alma forcing Albion to OT was one of several surprises last night.  The other would be the 33 point margin by Hope over Tri-State.  Tri-state had been able to keep points scored rather low in most of their games, and for Hope to blow them out seems uncharacteristic.  Perhaps Tri-State was intimidated playing in Holland, or perhaps we saw the "real" Hope team tonight.
Sat's games should prove very interesting with Calvin at Tri-State facing a team that will want to redeem itself.  Hope goes to Albion, and this should be a Hope W, but strange things can happen in Albion.

[AndersDY]

Tongue wagging and smiling? We're in deep trouble if Joey Crawford gets moved down to doing MIAA games. 

(I did not brave the weather last night, so making that observation only on these second hand accounts.)

[Erm Schmigget]

I thought Ty's actions after his last 3 went in were pretty innocuous, smiling and tongue-wagging aside.  However, he did seem maybe just a little too cocky.  The Tri-State player handled it poorly, but it never amounted to much after Ty was immediately taken out of the game.  He may or may not have been taken out for hamming it up too much.  Either way, it was a good time to put someone else in the game, as he had done his job and Hope was clearly on their way to winning.

My wife noticed, and I agreed, that during the next few minutes GVW appeared to use the situation as a mentoring moment, sitting next to Ty and discussing...something.  I could have been about where to order pizza from, but it was probably more like, keep your focus on what you need to do next instead of trying to provoke your opponent.  I will say this in Ty's defense: that Tri-State guy seemed like a jerk to me already by that point.  I probably would also be amused to drop 3s over a guy who's acting the way he appeared to be.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

I am new to this board but have been reading for a little while.  Thank you everyone for your insights and humor!  On this issue of taunting and trash talking, whether to opposing players or fans, I think it is understandable if a little takes place since these are 19 year olds in a high emotion situation.  But that's a reason, not an excuse.  Respect comes from restraint, and I really hope that especially in the Calvin-Hope rivalry (but other MIAA matchups too) we can continue a tradition of mutual respect, rather than devolve into the hatred that so many other (UNC-Duke) rivalries have.  If you agree please feel free to give me some karma as a welcome gift!

[realist]

Welcome  HCG:  Good luck keeping the karma.
If you have been lurking for awhile you are probably aware we seem to recyle some issues about every month or so.  The issue of player conduct is always good for several go arounds each season.  In the case mentioned above it seems GVW addressed the issue right away.  It seems every year or two a player comes into the MIAA that opposing fans just learn to dislike or needle if opportunity presents.  The better players all seem to learn quickly the best thing to do is let your playing do your talking for you. 

[ChicagoHopeNut]

The better players all seem to learn quickly the best thing to do is let your playing do your talking for you. 

It seems like Hope always has that player. DVS handing his spot over to Ty.

Hope goes to Albion, and this should be a Hope W, but strange things can happen in Albion.

Saturday's game really scares me. Like you said strange, awful, tragic things happen to teams when the travel to Kresge. And that first Hope-Albion game saw the ugliest first half of shooting from two teams I've ever witnessed. Should be a real tough, hard fought game.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

The better players all seem to learn quickly the best thing to do is let your playing do your talking for you. 

It seems like Hope always has that player. DVS handing his spot over to Ty.

Hope always has that player?  I think we could list players from every team that fit that category.

And why is it that Ty is being singled out as the bad guy (and I'm not saying he's blameless)?  How about the kid from Tri-State, who it was obvious from the time he first entered the game had an attitude?  How can you (DCHN) make that kind of comparison when you didn't even witness the game?

[ChicagoHopeNut]

The better players all seem to learn quickly the best thing to do is let your playing do your talking for you. 

It seems like Hope always has that player. DVS handing his spot over to Ty.

Hope always has that player?  I think we could list players from every team that fit that category.

And why is it that Ty is being singled out as the bad guy (and I'm not saying he's blameless)?  How about the kid from Tri-State, who it was obvious from the time he first entered the game had an attitude?  How can you (DCHN) make that kind of comparison when you didn't even witness the game?

Of course I didn't see the game and from what I have read on here it really doesn't seem like either player crossed a terrible line. My point is that lately it seems people from other teams can always find a Hope player they don't like as realist suggested a few posts up. DVS has been criticized regularly for various reasons either on this board or by opposing fans. He graduates this year so fans who want to really dislike a Hope player need to find someone new. The talk since last night by some suggests maybe Ty can be that guy for them.

I am not saying I agree. Why would I? I am a Hope fan! I love all these guys. But the big guy on the block, which this year is Hope, usually has a player or two other fans don't like. Much of the time the main reason is just because the guy plays for the better team. (Look at JJ Redick at Duke for an example). Really in the end who cares? Honestly, I'd be flattered if I were the guy the other fans hated. It means I'm good enough for them to want to pay attention to me.

[flash96]

I do recall Kevin Britnell having a few choice comments for people guarding him.  At one game, I could hear his comments to an Alma player.  They went something like this, "I am going to hit from there next time down the floor (points to spot behind three line)."  Next time down the floor, Britnell hits a three and says, "Told you I was gonna hit from there, B*****!"  There were other times I could hear some of the things which he said to opposing players.  Gotta love the old Civic Center and being right next to the players.

[Stinger]

I thought Ty's actions after his last 3 went in were pretty innocuous, smiling and tongue-wagging aside.  However, he did seem maybe just a little too cocky.  The Tri-State player handled it poorly, but it never amounted to much after Ty was immediately taken out of the game.  He may or may not have been taken out for hamming it up too much. 

Perfect time for a teeth chattering back-screen if you ask me.

[Erm Schmigget]

The better players all seem to learn quickly the best thing to do is let your playing do your talking for you. 

It seems like Hope always has that player. DVS handing his spot over to Ty.

Whoa there, DCHN!  Unless you've seen Tanis play this year, I have to caution you against making such an assertion based on one minor incident.  The DVS expression and comments to the Calvin student section and Tanis's smiling at a player are no comparison.  They're like apples and rutabagas.  My impression of Ty after seeing every home game and more than half of the away games leads me to compare him more to Tyler Wolfe.  Comparatively quiet and cool; gets the job done and gets ready for the next sequence; every once in a while expresses pleasure after a sweet trey.

Last night's "incident" could possibly be looked at as prideful or cocky.  But it was nothing like we see in almost every game when a player does something worthy of the highlight reel and runs back down the court, shouting and shaking his fists with a menacing expression across his face.  The player who lashed out was the Tri-State player...where are all the comments about his actions?