MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[oldknight]

Via the occasionally reliable grapevine    I've heard that Troy Peter (Stevensville Lakeshore) may be coming to Hope. If so, this would be a major coup for the Dutch and would make the Hope faithful very happy. I've seen him play twice and he should be an impact player at the D3 level if he comes to Holland. This year he averaged 23 pts, 8 boards and 4 assists and is a two-time Class B All-state player. He's all of his listed 6'4" height, is physically well developed, runs the floor well and is an excellent ball handler who takes the ball to the hole strong. His only negative right now is some inconsistency with the outside shot but I think that's largely due to some questionable shot selection on his part, not any fundamental flaw in his shooting form. He's been pursued by a number of D1 schools so it's possible this report isn't a done deal yet for Hope.

[Overtheback]

But can any of the Hope recruits get as SuperKrispy as this?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HbzIl4uw_Wk

[almcguirejr]

But can any of the Hope recruits get as SuperKrispy as this?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HbzIl4uw_Wk

That's old and stale. 

[HopeConvert]

Snikkers, from what those who have played against him in the Dow have told me, has unlimited range on his jump shots. I'd be able to give you a first-hand account of that myself had it not been for the dang knee injury, for which a certain party shall remain unnamed. 

[Gregory Sager]

In the Ursinus game, the posters to this point have been correct that there was no reason to fear their monstrosity in the middle. He was pretty much a liability who would come in the game until his next foul would mean he needed to wait on the bench a while. As far as missing players to injury, they did something special for the opening tip of the consolation game to get a player on the floor as a starter just for the first second. Klein held off the jump ball and the big guy tapped it right to #21 for Ursinus, they then stopped the clock to sub him out. The fans were chanting MVP for him, so I assume that was an important loss which may explain their showing for the weekend. I was meanwhile chuckling to myself, complaining that "aw, c'mon, Ryan was gonna win that tip..."

Number 21 for Ursinus was senior guard Nick Shattuck (21.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg). Shattuck was just named a second-team d3hoops.com All-American this past weekend. As d-mac said, Shattuck hobbled through the tourney on two bad ankles, played on Friday even though he was supposedly something like only 50% or 60% of his usual self, and only took the floor for the opening tip on Saturday afternoon in the consolation game. The people in this room who dissed Ursinus without knowing that Shattuck was hurt didn't do their homework.

[Gregory Sager]

as I scanned the banners of past winners this weekend, I pondered to myself if any two teams not yet on that wall can claim a stronger D3 basketball history than Hope and Woo..?).

Sure. In fact, I'll name three: Augustana, Franklin & Marshall, and Nebraska Wesleyan.

school	W-L (pct)	Final Fours	2nd place
Augustana	23-12 (.657)	4	2
Franklin & Marshall	33-20 (.623)	4	1
Nebraska Wesleyan	24-16 (.600)	4	1
Hope	26-21 (.553)	3	2
Wooster	17-18 (.486)	2	0

I'd also rank Clark, Widener, and Hampden-Sydney ahead of Wooster as well. All three have more wins, better winning percentages, and just as many Final Fours as have the Scots, and unlike Wooster all three of those programs have made it as far as the national championship game. In fact, Clark has recorded two second-place finishes.

[NW Hope Fan]

as I scanned the banners of past winners this weekend, I pondered to myself if any two teams not yet on that wall can claim a stronger D3 basketball history than Hope and Woo..?).

Sure. In fact, I'll name three: Augustana, Franklin & Marshall, and Nebraska Wesleyan.

school	W-L (pct)	Final Fours	2nd place
Augustana	23-12 (.657)	4	2
Franklin & Marshall	33-20 (.623)	4	1
Nebraska Wesleyan	24-16 (.600)	4	1
Hope	26-21 (.553)	3	1
Wooster	17-18 (.486)	2	0

I'd also rank Clark, Widener, and Hampden-Sydney ahead of Wooster as well. All three have more wins, better winning percentages, and just as many Final Fours as have the Scots, and unlike Wooster all three of those programs have made it as far as the national championship game. In fact, Clark has recorded two second-place finishes.

Yeah... So has Hope!

I'm not sure this is the "history" AndersDY was talking about.

[Gregory Sager]

Yeah... So has Hope!

I'm not sure this is the "history" AndersDY was talking about.

You're right -- I shorted them one. Chart has been updated.

AndersDY was talking about the D3 tournament; the context of his comment had to do with the championship banners hanging from the Salem Civic Center rafters.

[NW Hope Fan]

I guess we'll have to disagree till he chimes in. I took it as... the banners got him thinking, and wondered about basketball history in D3. Wasn't Augie an NAIA for a while during their "strong history"? I see the results of the tourney in your chart, but the tourney alone does not a D3 basketball history make... no?

[Gregory Sager]

I guess we'll have to disagree till he chimes in. I took it as... the banners got him thinking, and wondered about basketball history in D3. Wasn't Augie an NAIA for a while during their "strong history"? I see the results of the tourney in your chart, but the tourney alone does not a D3 basketball history make... no?

Augustana was an NAIA member, but that was prior to the formation of D3. Augie's a charter member of this division.

What other aspect of D3 basketball history is up for debate as to strength, aside from the tournament? How would you measure it otherwise? Non-conference regular season record? The whole point of the tournament is that it provdes arbitration for just such a discussion. And, again, the context is clear from AndersDY's post -- he was in the Salem Civic Center, he was looking at the banners, and he was asking about the historical strength of non-champion programs. What alternative thread of discussion could there be?

[sac]

Jon Snikkers?

  Snikkers has some work to do to make the Hope team, but if thats what he wants to do it would be a welcome addition.  Snikkers is already at Hope, I don't believe the transfer eluded to in another post is Jon Snikkers.



As of this week there is only one public commitment and thats Logan Neil from West Ottawa.  FDF did meet two young men local to Holland in Virginia , that are both planning to attend Hope, but again it isn't public or at least I haven't seen it.  It would be doubtfull Hope could have as strong a class as last year, which included 2 all-state Class A's and an all-state Class B player, the names thrown around are not quite at that level.  But strong non-the less.  But sorry, no 6-9's.

No question Hope's going to be on the young side, next year will be another talented team, but they'll need to learn how to win as a group.  Off the JV I think Cox and Nelis are the most likely candidates with 3 or 4 others that could get the call with a strong off-season. 

[tniem]

In the Ursinus game, the posters to this point have been correct that there was no reason to fear their monstrosity in the middle. He was pretty much a liability who would come in the game until his next foul would mean he needed to wait on the bench a while. As far as missing players to injury, they did something special for the opening tip of the consolation game to get a player on the floor as a starter just for the first second. Klein held off the jump ball and the big guy tapped it right to #21 for Ursinus, they then stopped the clock to sub him out. The fans were chanting MVP for him, so I assume that was an important loss which may explain their showing for the weekend. I was meanwhile chuckling to myself, complaining that "aw, c'mon, Ryan was gonna win that tip..."

Number 21 for Ursinus was senior guard Nick Shattuck (21.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg). Shattuck was just named a second-team d3hoops.com All-American this past weekend. As d-mac said, Shattuck hobbled through the tourney on two bad ankles, played on Friday even though he was supposedly something like only 50% or 60% of his usual self, and only took the floor for the opening tip on Saturday afternoon in the consolation game. The people in this room who dissed Ursinus without knowing that Shattuck was hurt didn't do their homework.

I assume I am being referred as one of the people that didn't do his "homework."  I knew that #21 was out and it was clear from the fan's support he was important - had even read the d3 feature before the weekend.  I was simply asking (and it appears that it has now been answered) whether he really made that big of a difference (and we are talking about almost forty points v Amherst, 20 v Hope).  Very disappointing to Ursinus to have their season impacted like that in the Final Four. 

Another poster mentioned that #41 usually plays better but had a bad weekend.  Fair.  Against Hope, however, #23 was the third big option for Ursinus.  No, I have not seen any of their other games all season.  For all I know #23 had his best game of the season and usually cannot hit the broad side of a barn.  But what I know is on Saturday, I would have played him until he needed a rest.  He was playing that well and kept bringing the team back in the game.  Always glad as a fan when the Ursinus coach took him out.

[hopehoopfan]

But can any of the Hope recruits get as SuperKrispy as this?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HbzIl4uw_Wk

Why does this video of a grown man dancing by himself while his male friends stand around and watch (not that there's anything wrong with that) keep getting posted?

It shows he has more moves than just on the court!

[Titan Q]

In the Ursinus game, the posters to this point have been correct that there was no reason to fear their monstrosity in the middle. He was pretty much a liability who would come in the game until his next foul would mean he needed to wait on the bench a while. As far as missing players to injury, they did something special for the opening tip of the consolation game to get a player on the floor as a starter just for the first second. Klein held off the jump ball and the big guy tapped it right to #21 for Ursinus, they then stopped the clock to sub him out. The fans were chanting MVP for him, so I assume that was an important loss which may explain their showing for the weekend. I was meanwhile chuckling to myself, complaining that "aw, c'mon, Ryan was gonna win that tip..."

Number 21 for Ursinus was senior guard Nick Shattuck (21.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg). Shattuck was just named a second-team d3hoops.com All-American this past weekend. As d-mac said, Shattuck hobbled through the tourney on two bad ankles, played on Friday even though he was supposedly something like only 50% or 60% of his usual self, and only took the floor for the opening tip on Saturday afternoon in the consolation game. The people in this room who dissed Ursinus without knowing that Shattuck was hurt didn't do their homework.

I assume I am being referred as one of the people that didn't do his "homework."  I knew that #21 was out and it was clear from the fan's support he was important - had even read the d3 feature before the weekend.  I was simply asking (and it appears that it has now been answered) whether he really made that big of a difference (and we are talking about almost forty points v Amherst, 20 v Hope).  Very disappointing to Ursinus to have their season impacted like that in the Final Four. 

Another poster mentioned that #41 usually plays better but had a bad weekend.  Fair.  Against Hope, however, #23 was the third big option for Ursinus.  No, I have not seen any of their other games all season.  For all I know #23 had his best game of the season and usually cannot hit the broad side of a barn.  But what I know is on Saturday, I would have played him until he needed a rest.  He was playing that well and kept bringing the team back in the game.  Always glad as a fan when the Ursinus coach took him out.

Before Saturday's game vs Hope, #23 (Matt Howell) played in 13 of 33 Ursinus games on the season.  In those 13 games, he played 65 minutes total (5 per game), scored 22 poinst (1.7 per game), and pulled down 7 rebounds (0.5 per game).

Michael Shema, #41, started all 33 games for Ursinus.  The Bears ran the table in the Centennial Conference (18-0) and got to Salem.  Shema averaged 8.9 points, 6.2 rebounds, and shot .621 from the field.

Playing Howell over Shema would be like Hope playing Dan Holt instead of Ryan Klein.  The suggestion here that Ursinus was somehow making a mistake by playing Shema is laughable.

[jcu_fan]

If the NCAA is going to bring a pep band from Cleveland to the game, can't they bring some better officiating crews?

I know it doesn't have much to do with your point on officiating, but I figured I'd clarify.

JCU and the Salem Civic Center split the bill for the band trip to Salem... not the NCAA.  (Maybe we should look into that... just read in the USA Today that Xavier's band get's flown everywhere the teams go on the NCAA's dime.  Where's the DIII love?)

I enjoyed seeing you folks play this year.  Nice to see Hope travel so well.  That was a great group of fans.  Congrats on a great year.