MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Stinger]

Here's a little more about Ben Jerome's big night, listed under Little Big Man.

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=830606

[Bob MacKenzie]

Stats from the US Dept. of Education--MIAA athletic recruiting budgets (06/07 numbers):
(Courtesy of the Chronicle of Higher Education)

1. Hope $114K (#6 in DIII)
2. Kzoo  $39K
3. Adrian $31K
4. Alma $22K
4. Trine $22K
6. Olivet $16K
7. Calvin $11K
8. Albion $3K

Median for DIII: $19,700

[arena]

Stats from the US Dept. of Education--MIAA athletic recruiting budgets (06/07 numbers):
(Courtesy of the Chronicle of Higher Education)

1. Hope $114K (#6 in DIII)
2. Kzoo  $39K
3. Adrian $31K
4. Alma $22K
4. Trine $22K
6. Olivet $16K
7. Calvin $11K
8. Albion $3K

Median for DIII: $19,700

I'm sure that included the football programs.

[sac]

Hope also leads the MIAA in concession supplies budgeted.


I had X amount of dollars budgeted for entertainment this summer, (concerts, vacations, etc.)  and spent X,XXX amount.......of course I report to no one.

[HopeConvert]

On the face of it, however, and assuming they are calculated the same way, the budget disparity is disconcerting.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Stats from the US Dept. of Education--MIAA athletic recruiting budgets (06/07 numbers):
(Courtesy of the Chronicle of Higher Education)

1. Hope $114K (#6 in DIII)
2. Kzoo  $39K
3. Adrian $31K
4. Alma $22K
4. Trine $22K
6. Olivet $16K
7. Calvin $11K
8. Albion $3K

Median for DIII: $19,700

Any chance you can provide a link to the numbers (I'm interested in the top 10, etc)?

[Stinger]

I was speaking with an Albion athletic dept member about those numbers last night. Their numbers seemed awfully low.  It seems that there is no standard way how schools budget and report their budgets. Such as, travel expenses to recruit might just show up in a separate travel budget that doesn't fall into recruiting.   

Top 10
DIVISION III
1. New York U.  $181,400
2. St. Lawrence U.  $156,700
3. Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute $155,600
4. Hobart and William Smith Colleges $135,500
5. Union College (N.Y.)  $119,600
6. Hope College $113,500
7. Christopher Newport U.  $104,700
8. Hartwick College $102,200
9. Stevens Institute of Technology $97,500
10. Methodist U. $97,100

Median for all Division III
$19,700
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There is also a league breakdown for salaries, men and women. Very interesting stats, but I don't know how accurate they are.

[realist]

With a range of Albion at 3k to Hope with 114k about the only safe assumption is that the schools are not accounting for these expenses the same way.  For instance Hope may total all the expenses in recruiting a student who is a member of one of their sports teams as  "athletic recruiting".  Other schools may only total specific expenses by athletic dept. members such as travel to watch/recruit a potential player.   Without knowing what criteria are used to gather the numbers any conslusions based on them are probably equally meaningless.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

With a range of Albion at 3k to Hope with 114k about the only safe assumption is that the schools are not accounting for these expenses the same way.  For instance Hope may total all the expenses in recruiting a student who is a member of one of their sports teams as  "athletic recruiting".  Other schools may only total specific expenses by athletic dept. members such as travel to watch/recruit a potential player.   Without knowing what criteria are used to gather the numbers any conslusions based on them are probably equally meaningless.

Very well put realist.   +k

[Bob MacKenzie]

With a range of Albion at 3k to Hope with 114k about the only safe assumption is that the schools are not accounting for these expenses the same way.  For instance Hope may total all the expenses in recruiting a student who is a member of one of their sports teams as  "athletic recruiting".  Other schools may only total specific expenses by athletic dept. members such as travel to watch/recruit a potential player.   Without knowing what criteria are used to gather the numbers any conslusions based on them are probably equally meaningless.

The colleges are required to report this information to the US Dept of Education.
I'd guess the Dept. of Education gives some direction regarding what to report.
Here are some 5 year MIAA averages.

Athletic recruiting budget.
1. Hope $149,562
2. Kzoo $22,579
3. Olivet $20, 743
4. Trine $19,168
5. Alma $18,591
6. Albion $17,061
7. Adrian $12,302
8. Calvin $8,340 (no football)

Budget per athlete
1. Hope $300
2. Kzoo $76
3. Trine $53
4. Olivet $45
5. Alma $43
6. Adrian $33
7. Albion $31
8. Calvin $27

I'm sure there's some variance in how different schools interpret the instructions for what to report, but that's a pretty big discrepancy between #1 an #2-8.  What does it mean?  I don't know.  Maybe the good folks at Hope are just the most honest.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

The colleges are required to report this information to the US Dept of Education.
I'd guess the Dept. of Education gives some direction regarding what to report.

The second word of your second sentence is key - you know what happens when one assumes things.  Keep in mind, this is the federal government we're talking about here 

With a range of Albion at 3k to Hope with 114k about the only safe assumption is that the schools are not accounting for these expenses the same way. 

Seems pretty obvious that this statement must be true.  Hard to imagine Albion could have covered much more than the phone calls to all of their recruits for $3000.  Please know I'm not trying to say anything about any school being right or wrong here - simply that there must be a difference in reporting.

[hoopdreams]

just wondering if anyone has further knowledge of the additional game Hope is adding to their schedule?  Initially, GVW had stated that it was going to be an in-state D1 program.  Or any other of the MIAA schools for that matter?

Any updates on incoming players, or word on how guys are performing this summer? 

[Stinger]

Unless I am missing something.....I  find it hard to believe that K has the 2nd highest athletic budget in the conference.   I think it's obvious that schools report differently.  If done through a standardized process, I would imagine you would still find Hope #1 and maybe Adrian #2, or vice versa.

[northb]

Or perhaps Hope just spends alot more to bring athletes in.  Is that a possibility?  It is congruent with the commonly held belief that GVW outrecruits everyone else.  As a (soon to be) tuition-paying parent of a Calvin student, I am glad that they are not spending so much of the tuition money on recruitment.  They certainly did not spend that much on recruiting my child. 

So, how does the increased revenue from ticket sales at Hope (#1 in attendance) square with the amount spent on recruiting?  Does my tuition payment even go to recruiting, or do ticket sales cover the increased cost?

And what about the other costs in the programs-are these reported to the NCAA?  Or are they meaningless anyway?

[Bob MacKenzie]

Unless I am missing something.....I  find it hard to believe that K has the 2nd highest athletic budget in the conference.   I think it's obvious that schools report differently.  If done through a standardized process, I would imagine you would still find Hope #1 and maybe Adrian #2, or vice versa.

The numbers originally listed were *recruiting budgets*

athletic budgets...

06/07
1. Hope $1,303,577
2. Adrian $1,039,485
3. Albion $915,659
4. Trine $869,688
5. Alma $836,509
6. Kzoo $827,109
7. Calvin $761,505
8. Olivet $462,818

5 year average
1. Hope $1,221,270
2. Albion $979,606
3. Alma $925,463
4. Trine $729,692
5. Kazoo $708,039
6. Calvin $699,233
7. Adrian $615,689
8. Olivet $568,430