FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DawgHeaven]

Everyone is right...Oxy has had a great run with Collins.  I do not recall Oxy beating Redlands by 4 or more lately and that is with Collins at the helm.  As much as I like the the other SCIAC schools, the only number that matters is 9 in 16 and the rest of my Bulldogs will understand.  Oxy will revert to old form after Collins leaves, but the team that I am worried about next year is CalLu.  They are going to be a bunched of pissed off Regals.  For all the smart people on the boards, their is already a JC in Mentone called Crafton Hills College.

[D O.C.]

Let's see...

it would even up the SCIAC for you guys..........how long would Andy have to sit out if he transfered to LINFIELD?
                                               

[OXY Oswald]

Depends on how many D-1 bouncebacks they have lined up...

[Tom Brady]

   Holy Crap!!!!!  Was that.....wait a second.....I think it was......somebody actually said something good about Cal Lu (except the whole Regals thing)

What is this board coming to??!!

[OXY Oswald]

  Holy Crap!!!!!  Was that.....wait a second.....I think it was......somebody actually said something good about Cal Lu (except the whole Regals thing)

What is this board coming to??!!

It scared me too....


Cal who...


I feel better

[OXY Oswald]

All Western Region Team

Offense
First Team:
Josh Jones WR

Third Team:
Andy Collins QB
Alfredo Gamiz T

Defense
Second Team:
Mike Bryant LB

Great Job Tigers!

[scandihoovian]

I have been following SCIAC football closely for the last 15 years.  I'd like to make a couple of observations based on my experience with the conference.

1) I've never had any reason to question the class or integrity of either Redlands or Oxy.
2) Redlands has been the dominant program in that time.  Others have had brief runs (Whittier even had a great team in 1997).  Nobody else can claim the kind of consistent quality in the conference that Redlands can.  Redlands may not have won any playoff games, but they also never got to play the second place NWC team at home in the first round either (I give Oxy all the credit in the world for their win at Concordia). I know the last two years have been down years for Redlands - but it says a lot that a combined 9-9 record means two down years.
3) Oxy and Cal Lu have been similar teams in that time.  Middle of the pack with a strong season thrown in every 3-4 years.  Over the last two years both Oxy and Cal Lu have experienced more success than at any other time in the 15 years I've been watching.  If they can continue this success it will only serve to make the conference stronger which is something we'd all love to see.

I'm glad to have so many new and enthusiastic Oxy supporters on the board - but you need to understand why many of us who are long term observers of the SCIAC are somewhat skeptical about Oxy's chances for continued success without Collins.  Other teams have enjoyed 2-3 year runs before, especially on the shoulders of a player as special as Collins.

[scandihoovian]

One more thought.  Some of you may find RFB's tenacity in sticking up for his Dogs aggravating, but he deserves a lot of credit as a poster.  He has been on this board for a very long time (even when his team is down, which is extremely rare), is quick to offer praise to schools other than Redlands when they succeed, and is to be admired for his pride and faith in his alma mater.

And please remember, no matter how much hot air you may think RFB is full of, the problem with the Hindenberg was hydrogen

[Tom Brady]

Way over my head with that last comment

Things look back to normal now after I was shocked last night by a positive comment about the Lu. 

I have been a SCIAC guy for about 8 years and will say the only team that has year in and year out been a very tough team is none other than Redlands.  OXY is a strong program now, but I wouldn't look for them to start any dominant run like some other schools in the country have.  Just my opinion.   One last thing, thank god we don't live in Minnesota

[scandihoovian]

In the meantime, Oxy rules and you don't.

Bob - a compelling retort in the face of historical evidence

[Sabretooth Tiger]

I've been following Oxy football for over 30 years now, I'm well aware of the ups and downs the program has had in that time, and have a pretty good historical perspective as well.  We never beat Cal Lu or Redlands when I played . . . this was before Cal Lu was in the SCIAC and they regularly romped . . . our games with Redlands were always very close, but fell to the 'Dogs . . . I have no idea what the future holds in store for my Tigers . . . Collins is surely an unusual asset and Oxy is going to have to recruit very well this year to repeat an undefeated season (pre-playoff) . . . and, in fact, I don't think Oxy will ever field a team as regularly dominating as Linfield, Mt. Union, Rowan or others of that ilk . . . I could be wrong, but I don't see the SCIAC becoming a dominant league for all the reasons already discussed (community college options, cost of attending and so forth) . . .

I will, however, remain a fan of the orange and black to my dying day . . . I mean heck, what are my choices?   USC, UCLA or Oxy . . . there's really no question.   

I just think we can be good fans of our alma maters, SCIAC and DIII w/o the tinge of bitterness that pops up now and again while giving props where props are due.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Oh yea, and I'm new to the board because I didn't know about the board until the end of last year.

And in the spirit of giving props . . . congratulations to Redlands for being the only other SCIAC team to have a player named to the West Region team, Brad Smith, 3rd Team Defense.

[scandihoovian]

Well done Bob, I guess we just have different views regarding periodization And I have different ideas about how the 2006 Oxy-Cal Lu matchup mught turn out.

Sabretooth-
Interesting thoughts on the JC issue as it relates to the inability of the SCIAC to have a program like St. John's.  I think that the SCIAC also suffers because many folks in SoCal don't understand the added value of being a student in residence at a small liberal arts school vs. living at home and attending a JC or Cal State.  The costs seem overwhelming and people don't even bother applying for financial aid.

[El Tigre]

First off: Congrats to all the men who made the all west regional team ... they definitely deserve some praise for their hard work.

Second:  I do commend RFB for supporting his team through all the ups and downs.  I only hope that I will be on this site for years to come to support the oxy family that I am a part of.  I don't mind RFB sticking up for his team ... I would do the same thing, but he needs to let some things go that we have no chance of changing at this point in time. In addition, I hope oxy does change its schedule to a more higher caliber team.  It would help improve the quality of the program.

Third: As far as oxy's "continued success" without Collins!  I think that the oxy players over the past two season has set somethings in motion for oxy and with Collins coming back I think they will have another good season past which will help foster that mentality.  Past that I dont really know, but I do know this ... the younger guys got a taste of greatness over the past two seasons and they wont give it up without a fight.  

Fifth:  Yes Redlands has dominated the SCIAC over the past 15 years and I commend them for that, however, with Cal Lu and Oxy lurking in the shadows and just recently making their presence. I think that the conference is in for a good fight over the next five years.  To be honest I couldn't be more on the edge of my seat in anticipation for next season.  

I know I am new to the board and I don't want to challange the knowlegde you have for the SCIAC all I want to do is give my two cents here and there. 

I just think we can be good fans of our alma maters, SCIAC and DIII w/o the tinge of bitterness that pops up now and again while giving props where props are due.

To Sabretooth Tiger,
O.C. Rah!

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Scandi, you're dead on right.  In fact, Oxy's biggest competitor is not any other SCIAC school, but rather the UC system.  We lose a ton of students to the UC's based on (1) cost and (2) the live on campus issue (which is a corallary to the cost issue).  For those who don't know, frosh have to live on campus . . . sophomores used to be required to as well, don't know if that's the case any more.

At any rate, a lot of kids go to UCs and play intramurals instead of DIII based on the bucks.  They don't know what their missing.