FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Kingsmen4]

If Redlands wins out (w/ no SCIAC title) is there still no shot at a pool C playoff bid?

If PLU pulls a freak move and loses only 1 game to Linfield do they have a shot at the Pool C spot?

Or are these both totally out of the question...The only reason it seems reasonable is because of the seeminlgy stronger presence of the mid level teams in the NWC and SCIAC, and the overall higher rankings this year for multiple NWC and SCIAC teams... Maybe they get more respect in an at large or is it going to be business as usual with the first round NWC/SCIAC winners and no more?

Just seems like with the upsets that it makes the top 2 stand out less, making way for a possible other if it plays out as planned for them...

PLU might have a shot but strength of schedule would be pretty weak (remember it's who you beat not who you lose to that is really important).

A win over a ranked CLU team, and a Wilammette team (keep in mind this is completely hypothetical) that was previously ranked would not bode well enough?

[Kingsmen4]

The BPD3 Level System Top 25 unveiled:

NOTE:
BPD3 Level System Top 25
To add to the intrigue and fun of the ranking system, I am creating "Levels" within the Top 25. In the "Level System", I will be grouping teams that are reasonably comparable in my opinion and exposing where I believe there is a drop-off of some kind between ranks. 

Is there anyone "intruding" on Level 1 with UW-W and Mount Union?

Where do the "breaks" occur between levels?

Where does Cal Lu fall?

www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com

I like the setup - obviously not easy to juggle/justify EVERY team in the top 25/30 and not have complaints from the faithful of all the squads. But a great talking peice for mid week discussion so thanks.

My only question obviously is CLU's placement (not their ranking) in terms of the "levels" theory.

Totally understand CLU ranked below PLU - they have a better record, and they beat us so to me I get it as a no brainer. What I don't get is how you can distinguish Linfield as a level 2 team, and Cal Lu as a level 5 team.

Lets keep in mind this is based on this season's happenings, not the fact that Linfield is historically strong, or that they gave you guys a good run in the playoffs last year... With that said yes they beat a strong Wilamette team easily last week - but wouldn't that bolster Cal Lu's "level" rating as they beat Linfield? I would think the gap would be closer together in terms of levels - assuming that CLU and Linfield have the same record, and CLU beat Linfield. If CLU's win is viewed as a fluke and that is why they are on a lower level, then I would assume PLU's win would be as well, in that case lowering their ranking?

My head is about to explode.

Any thoughts?

[Kingsmen4]

If Redlands wins out (w/ no SCIAC title) is there still no shot at a pool C playoff bid?

Will never happen.

OxyBob

Trust me I know the chances of it happening first hand ... As a player I was a victim of thinking it was posssible for 4 straight years - but the kids have to play for something and you never know what year everything could allign for that team...

[MonroviaCat]

If Redlands wins out (w/ no SCIAC title) is there still no shot at a pool C playoff bid?

If PLU pulls a freak move and loses only 1 game to Linfield do they have a shot at the Pool C spot?

Or are these both totally out of the question...The only reason it seems reasonable is because of the seeminlgy stronger presence of the mid level teams in the NWC and SCIAC, and the overall higher rankings this year for multiple NWC and SCIAC teams... Maybe they get more respect in an at large or is it going to be business as usual with the first round NWC/SCIAC winners and no more?

Just seems like with the upsets that it makes the top 2 stand out less, making way for a possible other if it plays out as planned for them...

PLU might have a shot but strength of schedule would be pretty weak (remember it's who you beat not who you lose to that is really important).

A win over a ranked CLU team, and a Wilammette team (keep in mind this is completely hypothetical) that was previously ranked would not bode well enough?

Beating a ranked CLU and Wilamette would be helpful (assuming those two teams lose no othe games).  I still think it would be a stretch primarily because of the geography of it....it could happen....but it seems like West Coast teams that are not an autobid need to be very convincing......


Still no comment on Mosier?  Let me approach the question a different way--will the guy that started last week be getting the bulk of the carries moving forward?

[D O.C.]

Pie in the Sky.

No playoff talk without Mosier running up 202 on LINFIELD for the 5 point win at home.

Where is Mr. Mosier?

[jodidipiero]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Massachusetts-school-pulls-out-of-game-citing-si?urn=highschool-274799

Just an interesting article.  A high school cancelled football game because of the other team's size!  I've never heard of this happening before! Does size really matter (In high school football).  I find it interesting because the year my eldest sons team were division champions they were known for being the smallest team in the division, but also the fastest!  They would have been so "embarassed" for the school to call the game because they were so much smaller than an other team.

[Mr. Ypsi]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Massachusetts-school-pulls-out-of-game-citing-si?urn=highschool-274799

Just an interesting article.  A high school cancelled football game because of the other team's size!  I've never heard of this happening before! Does size really matter (In high school football).  I find it interesting because the year my eldest sons team were division champions they were known for being the smallest team in the division, but also the fastest!  They would have been so "embarassed" for the school to call the game because they were so much smaller than an other team.

I saw that story too.  When I was in hs (mid-60s), we faced a Catholic school from Chicago with a defensive line averaging over 250 (HUGE for the day - our biggest offensive lineman was under 200).  The local paper was writing the obituaries for our offense.  We won 35-0, and just to emphasize the point scored all 5 TDs up the middle (going around them would have been too easy ).  What we knew (that the sportswriters apparently didn't) was that that size at that age (back in those days) meant FAT, not 'big'.

In fairness to the school that 'forfeited' (it has not yet been decided whether it is simply a no-game or a forfeit), they sound like sports are a very low priority, and that they were totally 'lambs-to-the-slaughter' - the risk of serious injuries was probably very real.

[bleedpurple]

The BPD3 Level System Top 25 unveiled:

NOTE:
BPD3 Level System Top 25
To add to the intrigue and fun of the ranking system, I am creating "Levels" within the Top 25. In the "Level System", I will be grouping teams that are reasonably comparable in my opinion and exposing where I believe there is a drop-off of some kind between ranks.  

Is there anyone "intruding" on Level 1 with UW-W and Mount Union?

Where do the "breaks" occur between levels?

Where does Cal Lu fall?

www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com

I like the setup - obviously not easy to juggle/justify EVERY team in the top 25/30 and not have complaints from the faithful of all the squads. But a great talking peice for mid week discussion so thanks.

My only question obviously is CLU's placement (not their ranking) in terms of the "levels" theory.

Totally understand CLU ranked below PLU - they have a better record, and they beat us so to me I get it as a no brainer. What I don't get is how you can distinguish Linfield as a level 2 team, and Cal Lu as a level 5 team.

Lets keep in mind this is based on this season's happenings, not the fact that Linfield is historically strong, or that they gave you guys a good run in the playoffs last year... With that said yes they beat a strong Wilamette team easily last week - but wouldn't that bolster Cal Lu's "level" rating as they beat Linfield? I would think the gap would be closer together in terms of levels - assuming that CLU and Linfield have the same record, and CLU beat Linfield. If CLU's win is viewed as a fluke and that is why they are on a lower level, then I would assume PLU's win would be as well, in that case lowering their ranking?

My head is about to explode.

Any thoughts?

Sorry for the exploding head!  You  are right that there's no way to put something out like this without disagreement among faithful fans. I did think it could be a cool starting point for some good conversation. I neglected to add some information regarding  the levels as well as some information as to my philosophy of the rankings.  I edited my blog to include that information.  That may answer some of your questions. As far as Linfield/CLU, if the rankings were based on this season alone, I could never have justified the disparity in levels. No way.

[jdD3FBfan]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Massachusetts-school-pulls-out-of-game-citing-si?urn=highschool-274799

Just an interesting article.  A high school cancelled football game because of the other team's size!  I've never heard of this happening before! Does size really matter (In high school football).  I find it interesting because the year my eldest sons team were division champions they were known for being the smallest team in the division, but also the fastest!  They would have been so "embarassed" for the school to call the game because they were so much smaller than an other team.

I saw that story too.  When I was in hs (mid-60s), we faced a Catholic school from Chicago with a defensive line averaging over 250 (HUGE for the day - our biggest offensive lineman was under 200).  The local paper was writing the obituaries for our offense.  We won 35-0, and just to emphasize the point scored all 5 TDs up the middle (going around them would have been too easy ).  What we knew (that the sportswriters apparently didn't) was that that size at that age (back in those days) meant FAT, not 'big'.

In fairness to the school that 'forfeited' (it has not yet been decided whether it is simply a no-game or a forfeit), they sound like sports are a very low priority, and that they were totally 'lambs-to-the-slaughter' - the risk of serious injuries was probably very real.

[/glow]

Yes, most "normal" parents would be concerned about their kids safety, LOL!  I guess being involved in football for so long you forget how DANGEROUS the sport really can be. My kids have had very few football injuries, but some serious skateboarding, basketball, snowboarding ect injuries.

I do have to admit the day we dropped our last one off at college and he was checking in for the football team, I leaned over to my husband and said, "OMG look at how skinny he is, he's going to get snapped like a toothpick"! 

[Jack Parkman]

Looking at the box score from the CLU/UR game it seems that CLU sure had a "bend, don't break" defense.  Redlands really only had one real scoring drive and that one was 70 yards.  Redlands set up their first score with a blocked punt, had a nice 70 yard drive, returned an interception, and had another TD set up with an interception returned to the 7.  All in all, sounds like it was a great game.  Saying turnovers cost Redlands the game might be pushing it a little since the 2 CLU INT's cost them for sure.  Take those away and Redlands might have only scored the 9 points.  Either way, it's a huge win for Cal Lu and a tough loss for Redlands.

[D O.C.]

You don't know Jack        what it would have been like if the guy who ran on LINFIELD for 202 yards in the second half would have played . Do you know where he is?

[Gig Harbor Cat]

I saw the HS article as well.  Not quite sure what the take is.  During my coaching career I did a short stint at a private Christian school and yes the priorities are different but I found that my players were every bit as intense as the players on my current 2010 championship team.(baseball)  Talent level is something else.  I don't think this sends the right message to the players at all.  If this was the case no one back east would have to play Mt Union--they coud do as this school did and  "Phone it in""

Thats all I got

Go Cats

GHC

[MonroviaCat]

I saw the HS article as well.  Not quite sure what the take is.  During my coaching career I did a short stint at a private Christian school and yes the priorities are different but I found that my players were every bit as intense as the players on my current 09 championship team.  Talent level is something else.  I don't think this sends the right message to the players at all.  If this was the case no one back east would have to play Mt Union--they coud do as this school did and  "Phone it in""

Thats all I got

Go Cats

GHC

Agreed--I played ball in higschool (all 5'7" and 160 pounds of me) as a fullback and remember having to try to block a 6'5" 305 blitzing linebacker (no kidding here)---was it fun, no, did I get hurt, sure, would I have refused to do it---no way.  And we won that game.  Safety in football is mostly about technique and the rest of it is dumb luck....

[Nihon Tiger]

Mosier isn't listed on CLU's roster.  K4 what's up... you wouldn't be withholding info would you?  I think OxyBob can revoke your SCIAC posting licence for that!

[OxyBob]

I saw the HS article as well.  Not quite sure what the take is.  

I think the article's great, because it gives guys like Ypsi and Monrovia a chance to regale us with their inspiring Rudy stories.

OxyBob