FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[smedindy]

UR losing 50 or 60 students, yes, important. Not life threatening, but important.

Same with CMS, more of an impact on incoming classes. And athletes opposing the change is not congruent with giving in the long term.

[jknezek]

UR losing 50 or 60 students, yes, important. Not life threatening, but important.

Same with CMS, more of an impact on incoming classes. And athletes opposing the change is not congruent with giving in the long term.

Why would they lose? They only accept 50% or so of applicants. In that myriad of more applications, the next 50 in line will be accepted. The "enrollment loss" only comes in to play with very high acceptance rate schools.

[Oxy1995]

http://www.theoccidentalweekly.com/sports/2017/05/02/jaime-hoffman-occidental-athletic-director/2888085

I think that picture with the president speaks volumes.

[D O.C.]

I agree, but I don't know which volume. Oddity for sure.

[olddog]

UR losing 50 or 60 students, yes, important. Not life threatening, but important.

Same with CMS, more of an impact on incoming classes. And athletes opposing the change is not congruent with giving in the long term.

Why would they lose? They only accept 50% or so of applicants. In that myriad of more applications, the next 50 in line will be accepted. The "enrollment loss" only comes in to play with very high acceptance rate schools.

UR typically has about 50 freshman in camp, some make the team others D squad. google fans can post the impact on enrollment with out a football team too...Loosing over 500 to 700  alumni in 10 years will have an impact on long term donations and immediate impact on fiscal budgets. I don't know what business you guys run but if my sales are off 13 to 15%, revenue and operating impacts are significant.

[jknezek]

UR losing 50 or 60 students, yes, important. Not life threatening, but important.

Same with CMS, more of an impact on incoming classes. And athletes opposing the change is not congruent with giving in the long term.

Why would they lose? They only accept 50% or so of applicants. In that myriad of more applications, the next 50 in line will be accepted. The "enrollment loss" only comes in to play with very high acceptance rate schools.

UR typically has about 50 freshman in camp, some make the team others D squad. google fans can post the impact on enrollment with out a football team too...Loosing over 500 to 700  alumni in 10 years will have an impact on long term donations and immediate impact on fiscal budgets. I don't know what business you guys run but if my sales are off 13 to 15%, revenue and operating impacts are significant.

The overall size of the class won't drop. That's what I'm saying. They have plenty more applicants that want to go than get accepted. If the 50 football players don't go, there are 50 non football playing applicants that get accepted who wouldn't otherwise. It only matters if you aren't getting significantly more applicants than you have spots.  Which both Oxy and Redlands do.

[olddog]

UR losing 50 or 60 students, yes, important. Not life threatening, but important.

Same with CMS, more of an impact on incoming classes. And athletes opposing the change is not congruent with giving in the long term.

Why would they lose? They only accept 50% or so of applicants. In that myriad of more applications, the next 50 in line will be accepted. The "enrollment loss" only comes in to play with very high acceptance rate schools.

I have posted about the issue before so I wont be redundant, in short admin begged Maynard to keep his numbers up, when he wanted to reduce his numbers. My info and understanding does not come via google. I am very clear about UR issues, don't need google to understand them.

UR typically has about 50 freshman in camp, some make the team others D squad. google fans can post the impact on enrollment with out a football team too...Loosing over 500 to 700  alumni in 10 years will have an impact on long term donations and immediate impact on fiscal budgets. I don't know what business you guys run but if my sales are off 13 to 15%, revenue and operating impacts are significant.

The overall size of the class won't drop. That's what I'm saying. They have plenty more applicants that want to go than get accepted. If the 50 football players don't go, there are 50 non football playing applicants that get accepted who wouldn't otherwise. It only matters if you aren't getting significantly more applicants than you have spots.  Which both Oxy and Redlands do.

[smedindy]

All this talk about the Oxy's AD - at least you don't have Louisville's problem:

"Fire the coach."
"No."
"Well you're fired too - along with him. And don't come to the press conference".

[Gray Fox]

In 2008, Jaime entered into an agreement with Adidas to exclusively provide all the athletic gear, equipment and uniforms for all sports programs at Oxy. This agreement dovetailed nicely with a branding program that re-designed the Tiger mascot and standardized the logo for the entire Athletic Department.

[DoubleDomer]

Did anyone really think Oxy admin would do anything to the AD, come on folks...this is the same group that let the kids on grants at this 66k school,  protest in their offices with wifi so they could order food and coffee.

The only way any change will happen in terms of athletics if the alumni donations are impacted. O/W the liberal inmates will run the asylum. Money talks...the end.

I just check vegas line and Whittier is now the favorite in the "Shoe Bowl"

Well, a lot of students get admitted need blind at good schools, and with their endowment they can afford it.

In FY16 they raised $25 million, and they weren't in a capital campaign. Of that, most of it was corporations and foundations, but there was a good chunk ($6 million) from alumni and they had over 8,000 gifts. Their endowment per student is impressive.

I would gather that many of the donors may not care enough about football to withhold donations - especially the corporations and foundations. I don't know that for 100% sure, but in my experience at small schools athletics isn't really a priority among many donors. They enthuse the alumni, yes, and bring people together - but they give for more reasons than athletics. Skillful development programs can turn those conversations toward helping the current and future students.

I suggest you research what happen at CMS when they were going to drop football, better yet take a skillful look at Redlands recent largest donor and his linkage to football.

Actually, CMS did give up football. The minute they let Coach Retz go and hired Kyle Sweeney. 

[OxyBob]

In 2008, Jaime entered into an agreement with Adidas to exclusively provide all the athletic gear, equipment and uniforms for all sports programs at Oxy. This agreement dovetailed nicely with a branding program that re-designed the Tiger mascot and standardized the logo for the entire Athletic Department.

Oxy Oswald and his slightly crooked sailor cap can never be replaced by that thing they're using now.



I had this decal on my car. Some of the precious little Oxy snowflakes of today would no doubt be offended by it.



OxyBob

[olddog]

UR losing 50 or 60 students, yes, important. Not life threatening, but important.

Same with CMS, more of an impact on incoming classes. And athletes opposing the change is not congruent with giving in the long term.

Why would they lose? They only accept 50% or so of applicants. In that myriad of more applications, the next 50 in line will be accepted. The "enrollment loss" only comes in to play with very high acceptance rate schools.

I have posted about the issue before so I wont be redundant, in short admin begged Maynard to keep his numbers up, when he wanted to reduce his numbers. My info and understanding does not come via google. I am very clear about UR issues, don't need google to understand them.

UR typically has about 50 freshman in camp, some make the team others D squad. google fans can post the impact on enrollment with out a football team too...Loosing over 500 to 700  alumni in 10 years will have an impact on long term donations and immediate impact on fiscal budgets. I don't know what business you guys run but if my sales are off 13 to 15%, revenue and operating impacts are significant.

The overall size of the class won't drop. That's what I'm saying. They have plenty more applicants that want to go than get accepted. If the 50 football players don't go, there are 50 non football playing applicants that get accepted who wouldn't otherwise. It only matters if you aren't getting significantly more applicants than you have spots.  Which both Oxy and Redlands do.

Thanks for the insights on UR...I learned so much

[jknezek]

UR losing 50 or 60 students, yes, important. Not life threatening, but important.

Same with CMS, more of an impact on incoming classes. And athletes opposing the change is not congruent with giving in the long term.

Why would they lose? They only accept 50% or so of applicants. In that myriad of more applications, the next 50 in line will be accepted. The "enrollment loss" only comes in to play with very high acceptance rate schools.

I have posted about the issue before so I wont be redundant, in short admin begged Maynard to keep his numbers up, when he wanted to reduce his numbers. My info and understanding does not come via google. I am very clear about UR issues, don't need google to understand them.

UR typically has about 50 freshman in camp, some make the team others D squad. google fans can post the impact on enrollment with out a football team too...Loosing over 500 to 700  alumni in 10 years will have an impact on long term donations and immediate impact on fiscal budgets. I don't know what business you guys run but if my sales are off 13 to 15%, revenue and operating impacts are significant.

The overall size of the class won't drop. That's what I'm saying. They have plenty more applicants that want to go than get accepted. If the 50 football players don't go, there are 50 non football playing applicants that get accepted who wouldn't otherwise. It only matters if you aren't getting significantly more applicants than you have spots.  Which both Oxy and Redlands do.

Thanks for the insights on UR...I learned so much

I don't think I provided any. What I did provide was some basic math. Learning and understanding it would probably help you more in life than whatever insider information you believe you have accumulated. But to each his/her own.

[Oxy1995]

In 2008, Jaime entered into an agreement with Adidas to exclusively provide all the athletic gear, equipment and uniforms for all sports programs at Oxy. This agreement dovetailed nicely with a branding program that re-designed the Tiger mascot and standardized the logo for the entire Athletic Department.

I had this decal on my car. Some of the precious little Oxy snowflakes of today would no doubt be offended by it.



OxyBob

The tiger IS choking his chicken, after all

[olddog]

UR losing 50 or 60 students, yes, important. Not life threatening, but important.

Same with CMS, more of an impact on incoming classes. And athletes opposing the change is not congruent with giving in the long term.

Why would they lose? They only accept 50% or so of applicants. In that myriad of more applications, the next 50 in line will be accepted. The "enrollment loss" only comes in to play with very high acceptance rate schools.

I have posted about the issue before so I wont be redundant, in short admin begged Maynard to keep his numbers up, when he wanted to reduce his numbers. My info and understanding does not come via google. I am very clear about UR issues, don't need google to understand them.

UR typically has about 50 freshman in camp, some make the team others D squad. google fans can post the impact on enrollment with out a football team too...Loosing over 500 to 700  alumni in 10 years will have an impact on long term donations and immediate impact on fiscal budgets. I don't know what business you guys run but if my sales are off 13 to 15%, revenue and operating impacts are significant.

The overall size of the class won't drop. That's what I'm saying. They have plenty more applicants that want to go than get accepted. If the 50 football players don't go, there are 50 non football playing applicants that get accepted who wouldn't otherwise. It only matters if you aren't getting significantly more applicants than you have spots.  Which both Oxy and Redlands do.

Thanks for the insights about UR, your input and understanding was very convincing