FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Fear the Poet 63]

off topic:

I wonder if at some point soon, my beloved Poets will end the football program? It seems that they just cant even become remotely competitive.  thoughts?

I believe the WC athletic department administration is committed.  I am certain the WC's previous president was committed to the program - she supported all sports to the extent that she would don the Johnny Poet mascot costume - she was a visible fan.  I know nothing of the new president and her view on athletics, I am hopeful she will continue her predessor's enthusiasm.

Bottom line though, losing like they do is not a good look.  Mike Neale is coming up on year 4 which means the next 2 years will feature - for the first time - seniors and juniors he recruited.  They finished with a 53 man roster...that's precarious.  I hope Neale cracks the code, but he still has a long way to go.

Im a huge fan of past President Herzberger and former AD Rob Coleman. They did all they could and more. It just seems hard to recruit there for obvious reasons. Our family experience was top notch, we loved the school and the people we crossed paths with will always be a wonderful memory for us. Some we still see and consider family...

Im just frustrated they cant turn the corner. I do not have the answers Im afraid.

[desertcat1]

<desertcat1, if you're going to be a sore winner, at least be an accurate one.>

My lame brain tells me it was 2017 season that all NWC teams won their games against the SCIAC. No?

Doc ,  what I was trying to say was the new program of nwc vs SCIAC this year , the NWC BEAT EVERY SCIAC team that week,   That's all .    So sorry if anyone was hurt by this .  . Send claims to GHC. 
Go t

[Purple Heys]

Im a huge fan of past President Herzberger and former AD Rob Coleman. They did all they could and more. It just seems hard to recruit there for obvious reasons. Our family experience was top notch, we loved the school and the people we crossed paths with will always be a wonderful memory for us. Some we still see and consider family...

100% our experience as well.

[olddog]

<desertcat1, if you're going to be a sore winner, at least be an accurate one.>

My lame brain tells me it was 2017 season that all NWC teams won their games against the SCIAC. No?

Doc ,  what I was trying to say was the new program of nwc vs SCIAC this year , the NWC BEAT EVERY SCIAC team that week,   That's all .    So sorry if anyone was hurt by this .  . Send claims to GHC. 
Go t

The NWC is better in football that the SCIAC...what is so new about that issue ? I don't get it, LF has a sub par year, make us feel better about our conference ...In contrast the SCIAC is a much tougher conference for student to be admitted and cost more....Does anyone think there is a slight correlation? It is not a complex issue

[D O.C.]

But... But... You were so content to bring up the total fail of LINFIELD in the 2nd half and laud the defeat of Redlands down in Belton without ever bringing up the academic prowness of the Crusaders.

[wildcat11]

It's pretty cool to see others recognize how great Linfield is when a 7-2 season is put in the category of a sub-par season.  Thanks olddog!

[olddog]

But... But... You were so content to bring up the total fail of LINFIELD in the 2nd half and laud the defeat of Redlands down in Belton without ever bringing up the academic prowness of the Crusaders.

But But But, I have discussed the entire advantage the Cru have...from admissions, to aid, to cost to attend, to dollars spent on athletics. If the Cru were not in the top 5 every year the coach should be fired. They can get 1AA and D2 prospects to come to their school because the aid is so good and facilities are better. They have a great niche in Texas. I spent time in the student union talking to a half dozen players the day before the UR game. The most any were paying was 5k out of pocket, most were 2k. I told them there are kids on UR writing checks for 40 to 50k, they said they would not be playing if that was the case.
I really do not understand why the Cru even want to play D3.

[Gray Fox]

I really do not understand why the Cru even want to play D3.

It's Texas, and they get lots of publicity.

[astro9046]

But... But... You were so content to bring up the total fail of LINFIELD in the 2nd half and laud the defeat of Redlands down in Belton without ever bringing up the academic prowness of the Crusaders.

But But But, I have discussed the entire advantage the Cru have...from admissions, to aid, to cost to attend, to dollars spent on athletics. If the Cru were not in the top 5 every year the coach should be fired. They can get 1AA and D2 prospects to come to their school because the aid is so good and facilities are better. They have a great niche in Texas. I spent time in the student union talking to a half dozen players the day before the UR game. The most any were paying was 5k out of pocket, most were 2k. I told them there are kids on UR writing checks for 40 to 50k, they said they would not be playing if that was the case.
I really do not understand why the Cru even want to play D3.

I can testify to everything you stated above. My son who was a starting D2 (80% scholarship) roll back and went to a d3 school in MWC 2017 and I paid only $4,000 a year. He then transferred to  a SCIAC team last minute last year to be closer to home due to a family issue and now by my surprise they want $20,000 a year.  So I now owe $10,000 a semester and had to pay that. I will say that my son loves the school but he just can't stay at that price. 2x D3 all conference player homeless after this semester (not really, but a decision has to be made). Recruiting coach said it won't be more than $10,000 a year LMAO! The life of a transfer student who won't give up.

[George Thompson]

Excuse my ignorance, but is there an implication here that some D3 schools allow more aid  to athletes than to other students?    Don't all D3 schools have to allow only the same aid standards  to athletes as they do to non-athletes?     

Anyone know for sure how it is done?

GT

[astro9046]

Excuse my ignorance, but is there an implication here that some D3 schools allow more aid  to athletes than to other students?    Don't all D3 schools have to allow only the same aid standards  to athletes as they do to non-athletes?     

Anyone know for sure how it is done?

GT

Merritt and endowment scholarships can be different from school to school but that is where most D3 students athletes receive their money.

[George Thompson]

Excuse my ignorance, but is there an implication here that some D3 schools allow more aid  to athletes than to other students?    Don't all D3 schools have to allow only the same aid standards  to athletes as they do to non-athletes?     

Anyone know for sure how it is done?

GT

Merritt and endowment scholarships can be different from school to school but that is where most D3 students athletes receive their money.

Astro9046, but that is no different than what non-athletes receive, correct?

GT

[astro9046]

Excuse my ignorance, but is there an implication here that some D3 schools allow more aid  to athletes than to other students?    Don't all D3 schools have to allow only the same aid standards  to athletes as they do to non-athletes?     

Anyone know for sure how it is done?

GT

Merritt and endowment scholarships can be different from school to school but that is where most D3 students athletes receive their money.

Astro9046, but that is no different than what non-athletes receive, correct?

GT

George I wouldn't know since I only have an athlete in college; however endowment is discretionary money so amounts can differ.

[DFWCrufan]

But... But... You were so content to bring up the total fail of LINFIELD in the 2nd half and laud the defeat of Redlands down in Belton without ever bringing up the academic prowness of the Crusaders.

But But But, I have discussed the entire advantage the Cru have...from admissions, to aid, to cost to attend, to dollars spent on athletics. If the Cru were not in the top 5 every year the coach should be fired. They can get 1AA and D2 prospects to come to their school because the aid is so good and facilities are better. They have a great niche in Texas. I spent time in the student union talking to a half dozen players the day before the UR game. The most any were paying was 5k out of pocket, most were 2k. I told them there are kids on UR writing checks for 40 to 50k, they said they would not be playing if that was the case.
I really do not understand why the Cru even want to play D3.

Easy... Money... the cost to move to DII is enormous, more travel, more time missed, farther to get to games, lodgings etc etc and that is just one program. I would ask this OldDog, why aren't you asking this of UMU? Or the entire UW system with a massive talent pool they draw far beyond any DIII program? I mean the UW system average student pool, is between 7500- 9000 students, UMHB, 2930...Hardin Simmons 1520 UMU 2045 larger pool, chance of more talent.
So I would really ask is, why is So. Cal incapable of developing teams that can compete? And as for aid, my kids, worked for their support as does a good majority of the kids on campus, if the tuition is an issue then that is an institution issue, not an aid one. They are receiving no more than can be received anywhere else so it is not that.
Look SCIAC, while I have my roots in So. Cal, lets face it is the cupcake warmup for any bracket they land in. There is not a mindset to move beyond SCIAC and into the theater of top ten ranked programs. It would seem to me they are happy to play their conference and stay in shallow waters, they bring home a title, and a trophy and quietly exit first round allowing their first draw to stretch their legs for round two, I'm not being sarcastic, just pointing out the truth.
I would ask, What makes UMU so freaking great? Why is UMHB, a relative newcomer in the top ten for a decade? Why is Berry college, a  relatively new program to the sport, able to push to round two already, from a losing first season five years ago to conference champs and developing? What makes the programs develop so well, if the coaches in SCIAC want to know then get their butts out there and learn, and quit splashing around the kiddie pool.

[DFWCrufan]

Lets take other things into account, facilities...JSU has a great program, not the greatest stadiums or such, but they get it done, Why? It's all mindset in my opinion. Coach Pete and Coach Kehres and Coach Bullis along with others have all said it, expectations and expectations to win. The tops have a mindset of taking the conference and beyond, not "lets win our conference, and hope to go beyond one round" Is the recruiting one of intent, or is it "hey you come to a SCIAC school, wanna play football" I'm sorry but the blaming of other programs because they are successful sounds like a cop out to me.
Rather they should be studied and a winning mindset has to be developed, otherwise your just going to be SCIAC good.
And another thing, talent pool, yeah we at UMHB have had good success in drawing DI and DII level athletes who come to the school not just for the athletics, but the culture. A perfect example is Luke Poorman, Left a fantastic program (UMU) for UMHB and why? Culture, he wanted an education the reflects his religious values. HSU is now capitalizing on that as well, I could think UMU and St. Thomas, St. Johns etc etc lean towards that was well, what is the SCIAC schools culture? Don't ask Oxy, they darn near lost their program due to culture....
Here is my soapbox, I'm off it, just tired of hearing baseless charges leveled at the hardest working programs out there.