FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sjujohnnie]

What is Mary Hardin-Baylor's religious affiliation? I did think it was interesting to see the transfer from Mount to UMHB. Both phenomenal programs. I was not aware that UMHB had a religious affiliation & only assumed that it was possibly a playing time issue that lead to the transfer.

[Retired Old Rat]

What is Mary Hardin-Baylor's religious affiliation? I did think it was interesting to see the transfer from Mount to UMHB. Both phenomenal programs. I was not aware that UMHB had a religious affiliation & only assumed that it was possibly a playing time issue that lead to the transfer.

Baptist. Same as Baylor.

[DFWCrufan]

Judge Baylor set up UMHB (back then Baylor Womens College) in 1845 (before Texas was a state) and then Baylor Mens college in 1846 at Independence Texas Under the Baptist Convention to train up men and women in Education and Medicine. Later of course the mens school would move to Waco and become Baylor University, and the womens school would be rescued during the depression by John Hardin (as was Hardin Simmons) and the school was named for his Wife Mary in their honor. Fun fact, during one period pre civil war there were bandits in the local area and the school had watches where someone was keeping watch with a Thompson .45 "Bandit Gun"
Imagine being home late from a date and coming up on that.
Also the mens school dubbed the river seperating the two schools "the Joordan" because you had to cross it to get to the promised land (the womens school across the river}

[olddog]

Lets take other things into account, facilities...JSU has a great program, not the greatest stadiums or such, but they get it done, Why? It's all mindset in my opinion. Coach Pete and Coach Kehres and Coach Bullis along with others have all said it, expectations and expectations to win. The tops have a mindset of taking the conference and beyond, not "lets win our conference, and hope to go beyond one round" Is the recruiting one of intent, or is it "hey you come to a SCIAC school, wanna play football" I'm sorry but the blaming of other programs because they are successful sounds like a cop out to me.
Rather they should be studied and a winning mindset has to be developed, otherwise your just going to be SCIAC good.
And another thing, talent pool, yeah we at UMHB have had good success in drawing DI and DII level athletes who come to the school not just for the athletics, but the culture. A perfect example is Luke Poorman, Left a fantastic program (UMU) for UMHB and why? Culture, he wanted an education the reflects his religious values. HSU is now capitalizing on that as well, I could think UMU and St. Thomas, St. Johns etc etc lean towards that was well, what is the SCIAC schools culture? Don't ask Oxy, they darn near lost their program due to culture....
Here is my soapbox, I'm off it, just tired of hearing baseless charges leveled at the hardest working programs out there.

So Cru, let me get this straight the reason MHB is miles better than the SCIAC schools, is the coaches out work the SCIAC, smarter, coaching staff has a mindset to win. This is pure humor to me. If you do not understand the difference between the SCIAC schools from admin, to financial support, etc...then you my friend are high on Belton BBQ... There is no comparison. Other than HS in your league, look at the rest of the teams in your league? Tex Lu is the close to the SCIAC mindset ...the rest of the teams in your league need to change their mindset?. You put Mike Maynard, Dave Wuff, etc in MHB setting they too would dominate....

[DFWCrufan]

I would disagree old dog honestly, I am asking what is keeping SCIAC, ANY Sciac from being competitive beyond the AQ they get for winning a conference? That should be the question, Financials? if the school is pricing students out then they should fail, UR/ Chappie/ Oxy etc etc are not the only schools around and I would disagree with the coaches being interchangeable outright!
Are these guys neck deep working to draw seniors? or like I had pointed out, is it, Hey your coming here (Insert school name) come and play football? the financials for students are no different here then elsewhere, I would bet NCAA would be all over that right? so what keeps ANY SCIAC program from moving beyond the obligatory AQ? If the coaches were interchangeable then SCIAC  should be well represented, second even third round?

Look, I'd love to see Redlands do well, I have an affinity for them, my daughter was born there and I played against them as a kid, but we have to be honest, what keeps them, any of them, going beyond one?

[D O.C.]

LINFIELD 

[10Freeway]

The big difference between teams that win in the playoffs and teams that go 1 and done on a yearly basis comes down to two huge institutional issues; total price out of pocket and how important football is.  All of the SCIAC schools will have just tuition north of 50K next year, UHMB is 34k total cost, huge difference.  California universities just doesn't care about football, look at all the schools that have dropped football over the past 25 years.  They say they don't have the money, which is a complete lie as these schools don't care enough to fund football and put money other places.  UMHB has 14 sports, the SCIAC schools all have 20+ programs.  Think what that 7 sport difference does money wise.  That is the biggest difference between the SCIAC schools and UHMB, those are institutional factors that schools have control over.  Football is important in Texas and CA is just isn't.

[DFWCrufan]

And 10 Freeway you are indeed correct, in my first post it was talking about culture. That is not lack of funding, it's more about lack of will. Oh well we've talked this into the dirt, looking forward to this weekends games!

[D O.C.]

No! No!
Before you go please tell us how many safe spaces the CRU can go to on campus?

[DFWCrufan]

Heh heh...aren't any...they have their token SJW proff and most kids defer her class and take it over the summer somewhere else. I still don't know how she has the position but like I mentioned she's the token SJW Prof. So safe space, not that I know of. No cry rooms, no puppy rooms, no they "talk mean" counselling, it's suck it up buttercup thats life.

[olddog]

The big difference between teams that win in the playoffs and teams that go 1 and done on a yearly basis comes down to two huge institutional issues; total price out of pocket and how important football is.  All of the SCIAC schools will have just tuition north of 50K next year, UHMB is 34k total cost, huge difference.  California universities just doesn't care about football, look at all the schools that have dropped football over the past 25 years.  They say they don't have the money, which is a complete lie as these schools don't care enough to fund football and put money other places.  UMHB has 14 sports, the SCIAC schools all have 20+ programs.  Think what that 7 sport difference does money wise.  That is the biggest difference between the SCIAC schools and UHMB, those are institutional factors that schools have control over.  Football is important in Texas and CA is just isn't.

Well said 10, Football is more important at LF too...just not to the degree it is at MHB....SCIAC competing with LF is not impossible. I thought the Regals were prime for a run at LF at the best West Coast team, but I was wrong.

[olddog]

I would disagree old dog honestly, I am asking what is keeping SCIAC, ANY Sciac from being competitive beyond the AQ they get for winning a conference? That should be the question, Financials? if the school is pricing students out then they should fail, UR/ Chappie/ Oxy etc etc are not the only schools around and I would disagree with the coaches being interchangeable outright!
Are these guys neck deep working to draw seniors? or like I had pointed out, is it, Hey your coming here (Insert school name) come and play football? the financials for students are no different here then elsewhere, I would bet NCAA would be all over that right? so what keeps ANY SCIAC program from moving beyond the obligatory AQ? If the coaches were interchangeable then SCIAC  should be well represented, second even third round?

Look, I'd love to see Redlands do well, I have an affinity for them, my daughter was born there and I played against them as a kid, but we have to be honest, what keeps them, any of them, going beyond one?

I respect your position but disagree. Thinking coaches are smarter or work harder is humorous to me, knowing Mike Maynard.... Other than an occasional really good team due to a couple players getting under recruited by the big boys, the SCIAC will always be the SCIAC. I have outlined the reasons in past post and other have done an good job too. Cost, JC programs are huge here and suck up players ( I recognize many could not get in but a few can and some of UR best kids have been JC transfer lately) and lastly in short the schools admin really do not care as much as MHB. Football is now being played to meet a check the box for potential new students and keep the alumni donating. Heck UR dropped the GA program because its cheaper to hire part time old HS coaches. We have over 130 kids come out to play football yet the school does not want a JV program, now that you are in and paid your fees, thank you.

[Purple Heys]

The situation in California is not a lack of commitment to football, it's the unyielding commitment to an ideology that ultimately is antithetical to football.  This has permeated slowly over the years in the same way a frog may be cooked in a frying pan by slowly, incrementally, turning up the heat.  However, that's a religious discussion for another venue.

It's late November in the SCIAC, or as we like to call it:  Basketball season.   

[Oxy1995]

I would disagree old dog honestly, I am asking what is keeping SCIAC, ANY Sciac from being competitive beyond the AQ they get for winning a conference? That should be the question, Financials? if the school is pricing students out then they should fail, UR/ Chappie/ Oxy etc etc are not the only schools around and I would disagree with the coaches being interchangeable outright!
Are these guys neck deep working to draw seniors? or like I had pointed out, is it, Hey your coming here (Insert school name) come and play football? the financials for students are no different here then elsewhere, I would bet NCAA would be all over that right? so what keeps ANY SCIAC program from moving beyond the obligatory AQ? If the coaches were interchangeable then SCIAC  should be well represented, second even third round?

Look, I'd love to see Redlands do well, I have an affinity for them, my daughter was born there and I played against them as a kid, but we have to be honest, what keeps them, any of them, going beyond one?

I respect your position but disagree. Thinking coaches are smarter or work harder is humorous to me, knowing Mike Maynard.... Other than an occasional really good team due to a couple players getting under recruited by the big boys, the SCIAC will always be the SCIAC. I have outlined the reasons in past post and other have done an good job too. Cost, JC programs are huge here and suck up players ( I recognize many could not get in but a few can and some of UR best kids have been JC transfer lately) and lastly in short the schools admin really do not care as much as MHB. Football is now being played to meet a check the box for potential new students and keep the alumni donating. Heck UR dropped the GA program because its cheaper to hire part time old HS coaches. We have over 130 kids come out to play football yet the school does not want a JV program, now that you are in and paid your fees, thank you.

At one time, Occidental had a great GA program.  I worked as a GA and they paid for my Masters.  That is much more expensive compared to a part-time position coach

[OzJohnnie]

The situation in California is not a lack of commitment to football, it's the unyielding commitment to an ideology that ultimately is antithetical to football.  This has permeated slowly over the years in the same way a frog may be cooked in a frying pan by slowly, incrementally, turning up the heat.  However, that's a religious discussion for another venue.

It's late November in the SCIAC, or as we like to call it:  Basketball season.   

I’m not arguing your point at all. I just wanted to point out that the frequently used allegory about the frog that you employed is actually backwards. In reality, if you slowly turn up the heat on a frog’s bowl then it will jump out. While if you drop it in a bowl of hot water then it dies.

It doesn’t make your point wrong, it just ruins a good fable.