FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Purple Heys]

The situation in California is not a lack of commitment to football, it's the unyielding commitment to an ideology that ultimately is antithetical to football.  This has permeated slowly over the years in the same way a frog may be cooked in a frying pan by slowly, incrementally, turning up the heat.  However, that's a religious discussion for another venue.

It's late November in the SCIAC, or as we like to call it:  Basketball season.   

I'm not arguing your point at all. I just wanted to point out that the frequently used allegory about the frog that you employed is actually backwards. In reality, if you slowly turn up the heat on a frog's bowl then it will jump out. While if you drop it in a bowl of hot water then it dies.

It doesn't make your point wrong, it just ruins a good fable.

Coming from a part of the planet where the toilet water swirls the opposite way, I propose that frogs from the Northern Hemisphere react opposite of your assertion...or are you going to buzzkill the "swirls in the opposite direction" fact as well?   

[OzJohnnie]

The situation in California is not a lack of commitment to football, it's the unyielding commitment to an ideology that ultimately is antithetical to football.  This has permeated slowly over the years in the same way a frog may be cooked in a frying pan by slowly, incrementally, turning up the heat.  However, that's a religious discussion for another venue.

It's late November in the SCIAC, or as we like to call it:  Basketball season.   

I'm not arguing your point at all. I just wanted to point out that the frequently used allegory about the frog that you employed is actually backwards. In reality, if you slowly turn up the heat on a frog's bowl then it will jump out. While if you drop it in a bowl of hot water then it dies.

It doesn't make your point wrong, it just ruins a good fable.

Coming from a part of the planet where the toilet water swirls the opposite way, I propose that frogs from the Northern Hemisphere react opposite of your assertion...or are you going to buzzkill the "swirls in the opposite direction" fact as well?   

No, that one is true.  Pull the plug on the tub and water will drain counter-clockwise (or "anti-clockwise" as they confusingly say down here).  Toilets don't, however, because the Coriolis effect is overwhelmed by toilet design which usually releases water in a clockwise squirt.

[Gray Fox]

Oz,
  You need to buy toilets made in the south.  Surely they will make the squirt counterclockwise for efficiency.

[Purple Heys]

The situation in California is not a lack of commitment to football, it's the unyielding commitment to an ideology that ultimately is antithetical to football.  This has permeated slowly over the years in the same way a frog may be cooked in a frying pan by slowly, incrementally, turning up the heat.  However, that's a religious discussion for another venue.

It's late November in the SCIAC, or as we like to call it:  Basketball season.   

I'm not arguing your point at all. I just wanted to point out that the frequently used allegory about the frog that you employed is actually backwards. In reality, if you slowly turn up the heat on a frog's bowl then it will jump out. While if you drop it in a bowl of hot water then it dies.

It doesn't make your point wrong, it just ruins a good fable.

Coming from a part of the planet where the toilet water swirls the opposite way, I propose that frogs from the Northern Hemisphere react opposite of your assertion...or are you going to buzzkill the "swirls in the opposite direction" fact as well?   

No, that one is true.  Pull the plug on the tub and water will drain counter-clockwise (or "anti-clockwise" as they confusingly say down here).  Toilets don't, however, because the Coriolis effect is overwhelmed by toilet design which usually releases water in a clockwise squirt.

Fair dinkum mate?  Isn't Mr. Coriolis more of a macroscopic influencer, which doesn't provide sufficient force to oppose initial conditions in the drainings of a sink basin (I'm calling Myth Busters)...off topic...I appreciate you helping me pull up my socks with respect to properly boiling a frog, and I will further stipulate the "throw 'em in while it is hot" method is quite effective on crustaceans as well.

It's not football season the SCIAC anymore.  We've nothing else to talk about.   

[OzJohnnie]

Dinky-di, mate.  I'm not telling porkies.

Yes, initial conditions will overwhelm draining direction, but all things being still in a regular tub it will drain opposite directions.  Toilets, being largely designed for a northern need, start off with extra swirl to help the... uh... plumbing.  In a sink you start the water swirling one way or the other by moving the nozzle a little and you can change the draining all your own.

Aussie designed toilets, largely, are an off-puttingly violent affair.  The water all drops straight down from all directions for this two-second power drain.  No swirl at all, just a mad rush to get down as fast as possible.  Now (not to get too gross) when I visit home and my parents' toilet has this leisurely ten-second, artistic swirl I stand around fidgeting in the bathroom waiting for the drain to end.

[CalCat]

Dinky-di, mate.  I'm not telling porkies.

Yes, initial conditions will overwhelm draining direction, but all things being still in a regular tub it will drain opposite directions.  Toilets, being largely designed for a northern need, start off with extra swirl to help the... uh... plumbing.  In a sink you start the water swirling one way or the other by moving the nozzle a little and you can change the draining all your own.

Aussie designed toilets, largely, are an off-puttingly violent affair.  The water all drops straight down from all directions for this two-second power drain.  No swirl at all, just a mad rush to get down as fast as possible.  Now (not to get too gross) when I visit home and my parents' toilet has this leisurely ten-second, artistic swirl I stand around fidgeting in the bathroom waiting for the drain to end.

You guys realize how much water is being wasted testing toilets and sinks by posters from the East Regional...😜

[olddog]

I would disagree old dog honestly, I am asking what is keeping SCIAC, ANY Sciac from being competitive beyond the AQ they get for winning a conference? That should be the question, Financials? if the school is pricing students out then they should fail, UR/ Chappie/ Oxy etc etc are not the only schools around and I would disagree with the coaches being interchangeable outright!
Are these guys neck deep working to draw seniors? or like I had pointed out, is it, Hey your coming here (Insert school name) come and play football? the financials for students are no different here then elsewhere, I would bet NCAA would be all over that right? so what keeps ANY SCIAC program from moving beyond the obligatory AQ? If the coaches were interchangeable then SCIAC  should be well represented, second even third round?

Look, I'd love to see Redlands do well, I have an affinity for them, my daughter was born there and I played against them as a kid, but we have to be honest, what keeps them, any of them, going beyond one?

I respect your position but disagree. Thinking coaches are smarter or work harder is humorous to me, knowing Mike Maynard.... Other than an occasional really good team due to a couple players getting under recruited by the big boys, the SCIAC will always be the SCIAC. I have outlined the reasons in past post and other have done an good job too. Cost, JC programs are huge here and suck up players ( I recognize many could not get in but a few can and some of UR best kids have been JC transfer lately) and lastly in short the schools admin really do not care as much as MHB. Football is now being played to meet a check the box for potential new students and keep the alumni donating. Heck UR dropped the GA program because its cheaper to hire part time old HS coaches. We have over 130 kids come out to play football yet the school does not want a JV program, now that you are in and paid your fees, thank you.

At one time, Occidental had a great GA program.  I worked as a GA and they paid for my Masters.  That is much more expensive compared to a part-time position coach

Oxy, I think the SCIAC schools were better back then compared to today from a national perspective. Do you agree

[10Freeway]

This is what the UR coaches are up against nowadays.  The women's basketball team, that never wins, just received new wooden sit in lockers and have their own locker room.  The most successful program on campus, football, still shares their locker room with track and baseball.  Plus the lockers are not even hs quality.  It really shows what the school values and it isn't football.

[D O.C.]

Diversity virus, olddog will tell you.  I agree.

[Purple Heys]

There is no reason to expect schools that "bend" the way that SCIAC schools do will ever push dollars and resources to build football (or baseball or basketball) monuments.

You want big time facilities, you better find big time donors.

For reference see Cal Lutheran (Rolland, Anderson, Ullman), Dubuque (Chlapty)

Maybe UofR should try to hit up Jack Dangermond (although his direct/local scholastic ties are with RHS and Cal Poly Pomona)

[wildcat11]

I'm enjoying the UofR pity party in here. 

[Purple Heys]

This is what the UR coaches are up against nowadays.  The women's basketball team, that never wins, just received new wooden sit in lockers and have their own locker room.  The most successful program on campus, football, still shares their locker room with track and baseball.  Plus the lockers are not even hs quality.  It really shows what the school values and it isn't football.

Maybe because UoR women's basketball manages to beat Linfield...   

http://www.goredlands.com/sports/wbkb/2018-19/releases/201811101imhyk

[Gray Fox]

Sounds like UR has hired the former Oxy AD.

[Oxy1995]

Sounds like UR has hired the former Oxy AD.

That is a pox to wish upon no man.

[olddog]

Keeping with actual issues...UR is on a campaign to update their facilities to be comparable to Chapman or Cal Lu...in some ways better and others not...The only thing that wont be materially changed is the basketball gym built 90 years ago and re decorated (filled in the indoor pool with another  basketball court, new floor and bleachers about 20 years ago.

The new sports complex will be much better for recruiting (expanded lockers for each team, meeting rooms, more coaches offices, new office for AD and a multi purpose deck over looking sports fields, will be nice for recruits and fund raising. Its not over the top but very nice and should serve them well for another 10+ years, knowing UR it could be another 30.