FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Oolddog, Redlands should dominate P-P.  I think that they will win by 20.  I think the Chapman-CLU game will close and if CLU can stop Chapman's run game and not beat themselves with penalties, they should pull off a close fought game by 3 or so points.  Chapman team speed will be a challenge for the CLU O-line, but the game plan should address it from what I hear.  Excited to see how good CLU is against a good D3 team.  PLU doing ok, and Southwestern has lost several close games, but a victory against Chapman could put the Kingsmen into top 25, perhaps?

Take a look at our poll -- Chapman has 18 votes and CLU has zero. So, pretty unlikely.

Take a look at the coaches poll, which has 1 vote for Chapman, 7 votes for Redlands and CLU has 13 votes.  I trust coaches over your poll Pat.  Sorry.

You can use that poll if you like. It's not better than ours, though.

[MonroviaCat]

Oolddog, Redlands should dominate P-P.  I think that they will win by 20.  I think the Chapman-CLU game will close and if CLU can stop Chapman's run game and not beat themselves with penalties, they should pull off a close fought game by 3 or so points.  Chapman team speed will be a challenge for the CLU O-line, but the game plan should address it from what I hear.  Excited to see how good CLU is against a good D3 team.  PLU doing ok, and Southwestern has lost several close games, but a victory against Chapman could put the Kingsmen into top 25, perhaps?

Take a look at our poll -- Chapman has 18 votes and CLU has zero. So, pretty unlikely.

Take a look at the coaches poll, which has 1 vote for Chapman, 7 votes for Redlands and CLU has 13 votes.  I trust coaches over your poll Pat.  Sorry.

Of course you trust the coaches poll---it's telling you (sort of) what you want to hear. 

[Pat Coleman]

Oolddog, Redlands should dominate P-P.  I think that they will win by 20.  I think the Chapman-CLU game will close and if CLU can stop Chapman's run game and not beat themselves with penalties, they should pull off a close fought game by 3 or so points.  Chapman team speed will be a challenge for the CLU O-line, but the game plan should address it from what I hear.  Excited to see how good CLU is against a good D3 team.  PLU doing ok, and Southwestern has lost several close games, but a victory against Chapman could put the Kingsmen into top 25, perhaps?

Take a look at our poll -- Chapman has 18 votes and CLU has zero. So, pretty unlikely.

Take a look at the coaches poll, which has 1 vote for Chapman, 7 votes for Redlands and CLU has 13 votes.  I trust coaches over your poll Pat.  Sorry.

Of course you trust the coaches poll---it's telling you (sort of) what you want to hear.

Exactly. Confirmation bias.

We provide all sorts of data for our voters that the AFCA poll-runners just don't have access to. We definitely have a better poll and it is shown every November in the playoffs.

[MonroviaCat]

Oolddog, Redlands should dominate P-P.  I think that they will win by 20.  I think the Chapman-CLU game will close and if CLU can stop Chapman's run game and not beat themselves with penalties, they should pull off a close fought game by 3 or so points.  Chapman team speed will be a challenge for the CLU O-line, but the game plan should address it from what I hear.  Excited to see how good CLU is against a good D3 team.  PLU doing ok, and Southwestern has lost several close games, but a victory against Chapman could put the Kingsmen into top 25, perhaps?

Take a look at our poll -- Chapman has 18 votes and CLU has zero. So, pretty unlikely.

Take a look at the coaches poll, which has 1 vote for Chapman, 7 votes for Redlands and CLU has 13 votes.  I trust coaches over your poll Pat.  Sorry.

Of course you trust the coaches poll---it's telling you (sort of) what you want to hear.

Exactly. Confirmation bias.

We provide all sorts of data for our voters that the AFCA poll-runners just don't have access to. We definitely have a better poll and it is shown every November in the playoffs.

Exactly---I think if Dr. Doolittle sticks around long enough, he will learn this to be true.

[Dr. Doolittle]

I have been keeping up with D3 football for 4 years now, so I am knew to this.  However, I think as a former college/pro athlete, I trust coaches more than analysts.  We all have opinions/excuses, and as my HS football coach would say, they all stink!  I did not guarantee a win for CLU against Chapman, but speculated that with the win, they would be in the top 25.  I guess we know Pat would not vote for them, even after a win against Chapman.  I guess the only way for Pat to vote them in is if CLU goes undefeated?

[Pat Coleman]

I have been keeping up with D3 football for 4 years now, so I am knew to this.  However, I think as a former college/pro athlete, I trust coaches more than analysts.  We all have opinions/excuses, and as my HS football coach would say, they all stink!  I did not guarantee a win for CLU against Chapman, but speculated that with the win, they would be in the top 25.  I guess we know Pat would not vote for them, even after a win against Chapman.  I guess the only way for Pat to vote them in is if CLU goes undefeated?

Well, I think you are really simplifying this way too much. Here's a little more about what goes into actually assembling a Top 25 ballot.

1. Is there even room for someone to get on the ballot? Adding a team means someone has to be removed. Did someone lose? Did someone near the bottom of the ballot underperform? If not then it would be very difficult to get someone in.

2. Is a Cal Lutheran win over Chapman sufficient enough to jump Cal Lu over another team which does not lose? As noted, Chapman is only on a handful of ballots, has only 18 points. A Chapman loss -- which would be Chapman's second loss -- probably says more about Chapman than it does about Cal Lu.

3. Is the rest of Cal Lu's resume enough to overcome these obstacles? Not in my estimation, but other voters may vary. Here's info directly from the report we send to voters. (Remember, the AFCA voters don't see this info. They get a copy of our scoreboard page and our standings page, last I've heard.)

Cal Lutheran (4-0) Last week: # votes: 0
Sep. 4   7:00 PM   Southwestern (1-4) •   W, 37-7
Sep. 11   7:00 PM   Pacific Lutheran (2-2) •   W, 42-28
Sep. 18   1:00 PM   at Puget Sound (0-5) •   W, 25-21
Oct. 2   7:00 PM   La Verne (1-4) * •   W, 35-14
Oct. 9   7:00 PM   at Pomona-Pitzer (3-2) * •   ccd.
Oct. 16   7:00 PM   at Chapman (4-1) * •   
Oct. 23   7:00 PM   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (3-2) * •   
Oct. 30   7:00 PM   Whittier (0-5) * •   
Nov. 13   1:00 PM   at Redlands (4-1) * •

None of those non-conference games helps Cal Lu get ranked either. The teams they've played so far are 4-15. Even with a win today that would be 8-17 (plus whatever those other teams do today).

You can trust who you want but our track record is *really* good. And no, if you actually analyze the Top 25 you might see the answer is different than you speculate.

[D O.C.]

Dr.** The Guru has spent an inordinate amount of time on you in the middle of the season. Hopefully others with such arguments will read this SCIAC page.

I'll be the only guy tonight on the Chapman side in LINFIELD gear.

[wildcat11]

Oolddog, Redlands should dominate P-P.  I think that they will win by 20.  I think the Chapman-CLU game will close and if CLU can stop Chapman's run game and not beat themselves with penalties, they should pull off a close fought game by 3 or so points.  Chapman team speed will be a challenge for the CLU O-line, but the game plan should address it from what I hear.  Excited to see how good CLU is against a good D3 team.  PLU doing ok, and Southwestern has lost several close games, but a victory against Chapman could put the Kingsmen into top 25, perhaps?

Take a look at our poll -- Chapman has 18 votes and CLU has zero. So, pretty unlikely.

Take a look at the coaches poll, which has 1 vote for Chapman, 7 votes for Redlands and CLU has 13 votes.  I trust coaches over your poll Pat.  Sorry.

You can use that poll if you like. It's not better than ours, though.

Most coaches spend zero to minimal time on the AFCA poll. Many probably have an SID or assistance fill it out. The D3 voters, I know I was one for years, spend time and effort on their votes and it's the best and most well thought out top 25 in the division.

[OxyBob]

Pomona-Pitzer has COVID issues and has to forfeit game vs CLU. 

Pomona didn't forfeit. The game was canceled.

Take a look at the coaches poll, which has 1 vote for Chapman, 7 votes for Redlands and CLU has 13 votes.  I trust coaches over your poll Pat.  Sorry.

Ooof. Sports dad vs. PC. I trust PC over you, Doolittle. Sorry.

OxyBob

[olddog]

Let's Recap.

UR....UR run defense held up as predicted net zero yards and 13 yards by RB...tough to win if you cant run at all, and in the first half we did a great job of getting pressure on one of the leagues two top QBs. However we had some mental lapse and forgot to cover the short hook passes in the second half. I think our linebackers were flying out of there know the score and thinking PP was going to try to hit some homeruns. However for the most part I like how our corners and FS are getting better. The inverts tackled well all night. I think our DB might be the most improved group on defense. I like their spacing better.
On offense we were balanced and this is what we need to be in order to win. Our down hill blocking is getting better every week, we will need these husky fellows against CU, more on that later this week. PP did not offer much of a pass rush in part due to our line and PP needed more speed up front.
The last item that is Maynard football, winning the turnover battle 3-0 and not killing yourself with mental mistakes. Its clear this is being reinforced in practice. I just wish PP had not gotten those cheap TDs because we controlled the game all night.

I need to watch some more CU tape before I comment, has anyone seen Dr. D declare CU the champs? It looks CLU has a great chef in the commons.
I guess Coach Bob did not rollover after his pre-season loss and got better.

[Gray Fox]

The ASC Pick-em contest this week has Chapman at Redlands as its Tie breaker.

The WIAC pickem has it as "a game of note"

Also one of the games in the National Confidence Pick'em.

[Jack Parkman]

Did we lose Dr. D?

Dr. D, if you are reading this just know that I am a Cal Lu guy all the way, but I have watched them enough throughout the years to know when they are pretenders and not contenders. I think it's fair to say that the only game they win out of their next 3 is Whittier.

[wildcat11]

Did we lose Dr. D?

Dr. D, if you are reading this just know that I am a Cal Lu guy all the way, but I have watched them enough throughout the years to know when they are pretenders and not contenders. I think it’s fair to say that the only game they win out of their next 3 is Whittier.

Dr. D, come on back.  You're proud of your son and excited about CLU, that's awesome.  No shame they lost.  Keep talking CLU, D3, and SCIAC ball.  Nobody is gonna roast you forever (maybe except OxyBob).

Everybody's team takes it between the eyes at times.

[olddog]

I echo WC, Dr. D it is all in good fun, your son is playing college ball and you have great passion....I love it, what life is about.......come on back

I ran out of band aids a few times from fellas on the NW board....

[Dr. Doolittle]

Nice to know hat I was missed.     I was on a fishing trip Sunday AM until last night.  Like CLU, I lost the big one.  The game was a lot closer than the score.  Three plays with CLU missed tackles for long TD runs for Chapman, a missed open TD pass by CLU early to tie it up at 7, and a 97 yard pick six in 3rd quarter were the difference.  Five big plays by Chapman and CLU QB getting rattled early changed the game.  I give Chapman the credit for execution and team speed, and perhaps the buy week hurt CLU.  I think that if the Bulldogs beat the Panthers Saturday, and CLU wins the remainder of their games (BIG IF), CLU, Chapman and Redlands would be tied for conference play?  Coin flip at that point or how would that be decided?