FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Nice to know hat I was missed.     I was on a fishing trip Sunday AM until last night.  Like CLU, I lost the big one.  The game was a lot closer than the score.  Three plays with CLU missed tackles for long TD runs for Chapman, a missed open TD pass by CLU early to tie it up at 7, and a 97 yard pick six in 3rd quarter were the difference.  Five big plays by Chapman and CLU QB getting rattled early changed the game.  I give Chapman the credit for execution and team speed, and perhaps the buy week hurt CLU.  I think that if the Bulldogs beat the Panthers Saturday, and CLU wins the remainder of their games (BIG IF), CLU, Chapman and Redlands would be tied for conference play?  Coin flip at that point or how would that be decided?

So our poll is OK?

Citing "five big plays" makes it sound like you are trying to pass that result off as a fluke and I don't think you mean to.

[Dr. Doolittle]

CLU was surprised that at the games conclusion, Chapman players and coaches did not shake hands, but instead went straight into their locker room?  The game was not chippy and there were no incident during the game.  Sportsmanship does matter, doesn't it?

[Dr. Doolittle]

Nice to know hat I was missed.     I was on a fishing trip Sunday AM until last night.  Like CLU, I lost the big one.  The game was a lot closer than the score.  Three plays with CLU missed tackles for long TD runs for Chapman, a missed open TD pass by CLU early to tie it up at 7, and a 97 yard pick six in 3rd quarter were the difference.  Five big plays by Chapman and CLU QB getting rattled early changed the game.  I give Chapman the credit for execution and team speed, and perhaps the buy week hurt CLU.  I think that if the Bulldogs beat the Panthers Saturday, and CLU wins the remainder of their games (BIG IF), CLU, Chapman and Redlands would be tied for conference play?  Coin flip at that point or how would that be decided?

So our poll is OK?

Citing "five big plays" makes it sound like you are trying to pass that result off as a fluke and I don't think you mean to.

Pat, I am a Chapman College scholarship athlete alumnus, so understand that no matter which team won the game, I was happy.  My son plays at CLU and I am Chapman alumnus.  Did you watch the game?  The momentum was in CLU's favor as they drove the ball down the field and got pick six at Chapman 3 yard line.  Yes, I think that if these teams played 5 times, it would be 3-2, not sure which would be 3 wins, but the teams are evenly matched. 

[wally_wabash]

CLU was surprised that at the games conclusion, Chapman players and coaches did not shake hands, but instead went straight into their locker room?  The game was not chippy and there were no incident during the game.  Sportsmanship does matter, doesn't it?

Chapman hasn't done a handshake line at any of their home games this season which leads me to believe this is a matter of policy at Chapman (if not across the SCIAC).  This was pretty common around D3 in the spring season and we've seen it in some places around the country this fall.  Doesn't seem like a sportsmanship issue whatsoever. 

[wm4]

Just noted in the box score that the 97 yard pick 6 happened deep in the fourth quarter, when Chapman was up 35-7. 

Also looks like CLU had trouble converting on 3rd downs, going just 2 of 13. 

Been fun to follow the SCIAC this year from here in the Midwest, and great to see CLU in the mix, they've certainly gotten my attention. 

[Pat Coleman]

Nice to know hat I was missed.     I was on a fishing trip Sunday AM until last night.  Like CLU, I lost the big one.  The game was a lot closer than the score.  Three plays with CLU missed tackles for long TD runs for Chapman, a missed open TD pass by CLU early to tie it up at 7, and a 97 yard pick six in 3rd quarter were the difference.  Five big plays by Chapman and CLU QB getting rattled early changed the game.  I give Chapman the credit for execution and team speed, and perhaps the buy week hurt CLU.  I think that if the Bulldogs beat the Panthers Saturday, and CLU wins the remainder of their games (BIG IF), CLU, Chapman and Redlands would be tied for conference play?  Coin flip at that point or how would that be decided?

So our poll is OK?

Citing "five big plays" makes it sound like you are trying to pass that result off as a fluke and I don't think you mean to.

Pat, I am a Chapman College scholarship athlete alumnus, so understand that no matter which team won the game, I was happy.  My son plays at CLU and I am Chapman alumnus.  Did you watch the game?  The momentum was in CLU's favor as they drove the ball down the field and got pick six at Chapman 3 yard line.  Yes, I think that if these teams played 5 times, it would be 3-2, not sure which would be 3 wins, but the teams are evenly matched. 

I watched the first half and bits of the second.

Three big plays with missed tackles is not a fluke, it's a pattern. Missed open passes are not a fluke. False start on third and goal from the 6, then taking a sack on third and goal from the 11, then missing a field goal ... those are just mistakes made by a team which was not better than Chapman.

You mention overthrowing Angel and yes, that would have been a sure touchdown if caught in stride. But on the previous drive, Cal Lu had first and 10 at the Chapman 35 and overthrew consecutive receivers there as well.

The momentum was in CLU's favor as they drove the ball down the field and got pick six at Chapman 3 yard line.

You have to be kidding me. This took place with four minutes left in the game with the score 35-7 Chapman. The game was decided before that pick-six was thrown. I would mention that it was another missed pass but the receiver got bumped by everyone's All-American Dillon Keefe in the middle of his route so I won't ding the QB as much for that one.

It's cool to claim to have momentum at that point but the game is only 60 minutes long, not 75.

[Gray Fox]

I think that if the Bulldogs beat the Panthers Saturday, and CLU wins the remainder of their games (BIG IF), CLU, Chapman and Redlands would be tied for conference play?  Coin flip at that point or how would that be decided?

The SCIAC uses "The Rose Bowl Rule" to decide who goes to the playoffs. That means the team that has been away the longest is the one that goes.

[Dr. Doolittle]

I think that if the Bulldogs beat the Panthers Saturday, and CLU wins the remainder of their games (BIG IF), CLU, Chapman and Redlands would be tied for conference play?  Coin flip at that point or how would that be decided?

The SCIAC uses "The Rose Bowl Rule" to decide who goes to the playoffs. That means the team that has been away the longest is the one that goes.

Interesting.  So that would mean if Redlands beats Chapman Saturday, and CLU wins out the rest of their games, CLU represents SCIAC in playoffs.  I know that none of you believe that will happen, but it is possible if the stars align.  .  Go Kingsmen!

[olddog]

Chapman/UR pre game Outlook.

Some notable issues about the Chapman Team. Easily the oldest coaching staff in the SCIAC, puts this old guy to shame. Head Coach Bob Owens is 73 year old. He is a very nice man. The good news for Bob is he still younger than our president and a better memory. CU DC is around 60, their line backer, QB early 60's and O line coach (68). Props to these old guys. I did notice they are trying to bring in a few younger coaches to relate better to the kids in regards to recruiting.

CU Team. This is the smallest team I can remember Chapman having in the last 15 years. They have had the same strength coach for the last 10 years, I don't know if Covid stopped them from any work outs or if their nutritionist left the team. Take a look at the roster. They have on freshman d linemen that is 260, the rest are all 220 to 240. They move pretty well so it will be a match up of our Husky front (see I am being nice) versus foot speed. I usually take foot speed, but CMS was able to run the ball on CU and our third best QB can scramble very well which always slows down a d line. CU has a couple line backers that can play and run. In fact might be bigger than some of the D line rotation. This is the heart and soul of the defense. Fellas can run side to side love to tackle and are aggressive. I would run right at them given all the footspeed on defense. I expect to see UR run outside zone, some counter and double tight end sets. Our QB has to pull the ball once in a while to slow them down. I would expect a lot of passing off play action. We need to hold the Linebackers a bit, and let our WR run posts and digs etc. I hope CU sits in man, we have a chance to bust a run or two. If our O line can get to a backer we have a chance, if not we lose, wont be able to score 4 tds.

On Defense, CU has a two headed QB attack. They try to stay fairly balanced when both are in, one looks deeper than the other but both are solid. Combined they do a good job. UR has the advantage up front. I think we have the best D line in the league. Chapman is small up front, most guys are 250 ish, but can move. UR does a good job most the time on inside zone. Our inverts are good run stoppers in our 3-3-5, so I am really not sure how CU will attack us on the ground. Typically they try to out number you and work the outside edge. I don't expect CU to go deep alot but they will throw the ball regardless of down and distance so we can not be guessing. I think first down is the most import down for this offense. If we win first downs, they will have a hard time driving the ball down the field 4 times for scores.
I expect them to attack our FS, with throws down the hash marks, running guys past his face. These routes take time, hope our ends get to the QB.

In short we must play our defense (rules) and tackle. We have to have the best tackling night all season to win, given their athletes, and team speed. How well we tackle is the key over anything they run or we try to stop. Make CU do 15 play drives.

On the special team front, I really like our kicker and he is getting better every week. It could come down to a FG...See you at Ted Runner, its going to be GOOD one ...
Winner of this game will go to the Texas...sorry Dr D

[Dr. Doolittle]

I think SCIAC winner will end up at Linfield, so that will be a stretch to make it all the way to TEXAS for any SCIAC team.

[olddog]

Dr. D,

It comes down to Does MHB have to play HS (top ten team) twice, Pat can chime in but NCAA trying to avoid this issue.

[CalCat]

Dr. D,

It comes down to Does MHB have to play HS (top ten team) twice, Pat can chime in but NCAA trying to avoid this issue.

I believe they can't  let UMHB and HS play each other first round. I think winner of SCIAC probably goes to Belton and if HS handles Howard Payne, they are a candidate for McMinnville. Two flights but they had two in first round in 2019...Cats at CU and Dogs at UMHB. Redlands/ Chapman should be a good one. The best player on the field will be Keefe  and second best will be Martinez. Keefe will key on Martinez  and move around a bunch. Keep your eyes on Keefe it will be fun watching the game within the game. I do believe the winner will represent SCIAC in first round. Wanted to see this one but am being "required" to attend a wedding. 👿

[jknezek]

Dr. D,

It comes down to Does MHB have to play HS (top ten team) twice, Pat can chime in but NCAA trying to avoid this issue.

I believe they can't  let UMHB and HS play each other first round. I think winner of SCIAC probably goes to Belton and if HS handles Howard Payne, they are a candidate for McMinnville. Two flights but they had two in first round in 2019...Cats at CU and Dogs at UMHB. Redlands/ Chapman should be a good one. The best player on the field will be Keefe  and second best will be Martinez. Keefe will key on Martinez  and move around a bunch. Keep your eyes on Keefe it will be fun watching the game within the game. I do believe the winner will represent SCIAC in first round. Wanted to see this one but am being "required" to attend a wedding. 👿

Could be Trinity from the SAA. They or Birmingham-Southern will most likely be the SAA rep, and Trinity is easily in driving distance from either UMHB or Hardin-Simmons.

[olddog]

CalCat...who gets married during Football season?

Correction on our QB he is the third best according to others, yes I like CU backers. I wonder is Martinez can check out, or if this is the case I think you will see UR do a lot of lining up on the ball to see what D, CU is sitting in before they get the final play call.

[olddog]

Dr. D,

It comes down to Does MHB have to play HS (top ten team) twice, Pat can chime in but NCAA trying to avoid this issue.

I believe they can't  let UMHB and HS play each other first round. I think winner of SCIAC probably goes to Belton and if HS handles Howard Payne, they are a candidate for McMinnville. Two flights but they had two in first round in 2019...Cats at CU and Dogs at UMHB. Redlands/ Chapman should be a good one. The best player on the field will be Keefe  and second best will be Martinez. Keefe will key on Martinez  and move around a bunch. Keep your eyes on Keefe


it will be fun watching the game within the game. I do believe the winner will represent SCIAC in first round. Wanted to see this one but am being "required" to attend a wedding. 👿

Could be Trinity from the SAA. They or Birmingham-Southern will most likely be the SAA rep, and Trinity is easily in driving distance from either UMHB or Hardin-Simmons.

Whatever screws over the SCIAC the most, is my guess.