FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[olddog]

SCIAC All-Conference

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/fball/2022-23/releases/2022111728ttfm

I finds this entire process so political and ridiculous.  There are two first team QB's and only 3 first team offensive lineman.   Only three O-lineman on second team and so on... I know the first place team gets more players than the second place team, ect.., but should the teams not actually be a team, not a list of players?  Maybe I'm old school, but you need first, second and third team (possibly) for every position, not a list of the coaches favorite players or best stats?  Congrats to all the players who were selected.  You and your parents should be proud!

Doc, I think the coaches vote on All League, and of course your coach can not vote for you....Many times the balance is not pro rata...you wonder how the second place team beat the third, etc...

[Dr. Doolittle]

SCIAC All-Conference

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/fball/2022-23/releases/2022111728ttfm

I finds this entire process so political and ridiculous.  There are two first team QB's and only 3 first team offensive lineman.   Only three O-lineman on second team and so on... I know the first place team gets more players than the second place team, ect.., but should the teams not actually be a team, not a list of players?  Maybe I'm old school, but you need first, second and third team (possibly) for every position, not a list of the coaches favorite players or best stats?  Congrats to all the players who were selected.  You and your parents should be proud!

Doc, I think the coaches vote on All League, and of course your coach can not vote for you....Many times the balance is not pro rata...you wonder how the second place team beat the third, etc...

I get that the coaches vote, but knowing coaches, the number of players from each team is dependent on the place the team finishes, which makes sense.  However, should the first and second All-SCIAC team members reflect an acurate or complete team roster, as in every position?  At least a complete roster to field a team?  Just saying?

[wildcat11]

SCIAC All-Conference

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/fball/2022-23/releases/2022111728ttfm

Good to see the NWC isn't the only conference that botches this process. At least the SCIAC doesn't have 50 honorable mentions.

[formerd3db]

Really sad to hear about the Whittier decision. Once again, an administration handles the situation poorly. I now put them in with the Swarthmore and Oxy debacles. No football = almost irrelevant. Too bad. I'm sorry for you alums.

It will be interesting to see if a NWC/SCIAC merger can be worked out as some of you have proposed.

[Pat Coleman]

SCIAC All-Conference

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/fball/2022-23/releases/2022111728ttfm

I finds this entire process so political and ridiculous.  There are two first team QB's and only 3 first team offensive lineman.   Only three O-lineman on second team and so on... I know the first place team gets more players than the second place team, ect.., but should the teams not actually be a team, not a list of players?  Maybe I'm old school, but you need first, second and third team (possibly) for every position, not a list of the coaches favorite players or best stats?  Congrats to all the players who were selected.  You and your parents should be proud!

I mean, we agree.

There are actually five linemen, though -- three are listed as OL but one is listed as C and one as LT. It's just kind of inconsistent.

[wildcat11]

Congrats on the season Hens. Your kids played great today.

[olddog]

1) Congrats to PP, making the Playoffs, this is what makes sports fun. However you are Co-Champs ...
2) Now PP will find out what its like playing LF instead of Lewis and Clark, Warning to PP, every player at LF is pretty good...If PP wins it will be the biggest upset in Small College ball I have seen...Draft Kings has PP a 24 point dog
3) How can CMS go from having the DC of the year to giving up 21 to PP, players make plays not DC's, I am sure the DC practiced against the double pass, and PP ran nothing new....CMS did not look as ready as PP...dont know wy
4) I was amazed how CMS did not just keep going off tackle. Run the ball... dont panic
5) PP broadcaster was great, his voice was gone by the end of the game. The Hen's were Chirping

Have fun this weekend HEN's

I sure hope you all took the over. PP found out the game is 4 quarters again (UR 21 point comeback too). Heck couple years ago UR was up big on LF decided to take a nap the first half of the fourth and LF almost came back and beat them. Playing a champ takes four quarters. PP offense was almost a gimmick this season. LF db's stopped biting on play action, fixed a couple broken coverages and forced the QB to make throws (ala UR's DC). Then the LF started to get sacks as the QB held on to the ball longer. Big diff between UR and LF, is LF D line was able to get to the QB, UR had to just spy.

One person said in this board LF made halftime adjustments? no LF played LF ball, mistake free, balanced attack and win special teams, very Mike Maynard like. What did LF do as an adjustment, run the ball down your throat. Not turn it over. LF did nothing special, just executed the game plan better.

Its really sad PP could not find a long snapper. I think I could beat out the fella they had doing it, really! a back up QB could not do it. It cost you big time. Plenty of offseason to fix that one.
In the end LF depth just proved too much.

[Gray Fox]

"Its really sad PP could not find a long snapper. I think I could beat out the fella they had doing it, really! a back up QB could not do it. It cost you big time. Plenty of offseason to fix that one.
In the end LF depth just proved too much."

Ironic that the Whittier LS made first team all-conference.  Maybe he can transfer to PP.

[olddog]

I think one big fall out of Whittier dropping football will be does an up and coming coach want to get into D3 Football. I am sure they will find coaches but as an up and coming guy does this look promising in So Cal. Other than Chapman (50/50) ...the other schools are pretty woke and one AD or Pres away from dropping football. Look back at Oxy and WC,...were almost the same story.

What I love about Oxy and WC dropping football. They like to pretend to be open minded, liberal, equal opportunity...etc  (as long as its their Facebook Version)...Who did they hurt the most in my opinion....minority males. Football was a path for them to improve their lives maybe in a time when they need direction, wonder how many young men will fall off the map. Its sad.

[RFBredux]

I think one big fall out of Whittier dropping football will be does an up and coming coach want to get into D3 Football. I am sure they will find coaches but as an up and coming guy does this look promising in So Cal. Other than Chapman (50/50) ...the other schools are pretty woke and one AD or Pres away from dropping football. Look back at Oxy and WC,...were almost the same story.

What I love about Oxy and WC dropping football. They like to pretend to be open minded, liberal, equal opportunity...etc  (as long as its their Facebook Version)...Who did they hurt the most in my opinion....minority males. Football was a path for them to improve their lives maybe in a time when they need direction, wonder how many young men will fall off the map. Its sad.

St. Thomas made the jump from D3 to DI and just won the Pioneer League. I wonder if Redlands could make the transition as well. That would give the Pioneer League two universities in Southern California. Maybe Chapman could come with as well.

[Pat Coleman]

St. Thomas moved all of its sports, not just football. Is Redlands prepared to do so? That's what's required.

[Gray Fox]

St Thomas was already at that level.  They were forced out of their league.

[Dr. Doolittle]

I think one big fall out of Whittier dropping football will be does an up and coming coach want to get into D3 Football. I am sure they will find coaches but as an up and coming guy does this look promising in So Cal. Other than Chapman (50/50) ...the other schools are pretty woke and one AD or Pres away from dropping football. Look back at Oxy and WC,...were almost the same story.

What I love about Oxy and WC dropping football. They like to pretend to be open minded, liberal, equal opportunity...etc  (as long as its their Facebook Version)...Who did they hurt the most in my opinion....minority males. Football was a path for them to improve their lives maybe in a time when they need direction, wonder how many young men will fall off the map. Its sad.

St. Thomas made the jump from D3 to DI and just won the Pioneer League. I wonder if Redlands could make the transition as well. That would give the Pioneer League two universities in Southern California. Maybe Chapman could come with as well.

Chapman was D2 in 80's until early 90's when they changed from College to University and went down to D3, even though they grew in attendance and size.  Why would they consider D!?  St. Thomas was nudged out of MIAC because of dominance in all sports, except football, which the Johnies competed with them.  The comment about these schools being "woke" is spot on, and will make any program building difficult.  I am Chapman College athletic alumnus, and my son graduates this year from CLU.  These schools, the Claremont colleges, Oxy, are very "woke". 

[RFBredux]

St. Thomas moved all of its sports, not just football. Is Redlands prepared to do so? That's what's required.

Yes, that's what I would propose in this scenario. Pioneer League for football, and the WAC for all other sports. Cal Baptist (Riverside, CA) is in the WAC and would give the conference two member schools within 15 miles of each other.

[RFBredux]

I think one big fall out of Whittier dropping football will be does an up and coming coach want to get into D3 Football. I am sure they will find coaches but as an up and coming guy does this look promising in So Cal. Other than Chapman (50/50) ...the other schools are pretty woke and one AD or Pres away from dropping football. Look back at Oxy and WC,...were almost the same story.

What I love about Oxy and WC dropping football. They like to pretend to be open minded, liberal, equal opportunity...etc  (as long as its their Facebook Version)...Who did they hurt the most in my opinion....minority males. Football was a path for them to improve their lives maybe in a time when they need direction, wonder how many young men will fall off the map. Its sad.

St. Thomas made the jump from D3 to DI and just won the Pioneer League. I wonder if Redlands could make the transition as well. That would give the Pioneer League two universities in Southern California. Maybe Chapman could come with as well.

Chapman was D2 in 80's until early 90's when they changed from College to University and went down to D3, even though they grew in attendance and size.  Why would they consider D!?  St. Thomas was nudged out of MIAC because of dominance in all sports, except football, which the Johnies competed with them.  The comment about these schools being "woke" is spot on, and will make any program building difficult.  I am Chapman College athletic alumnus, and my son graduates this year from CLU.  These schools, the Claremont colleges, Oxy, are very "woke".

Chapman restarted their program in 1994. They were loaded with D1 transfers after Cal State Fullerton and Cal State Long Beach dropped their programs. I played against those teams, and they had no business being in D3 with that talent. We tied them 14-14 in 1994, and then were on the other side of lopsided wins in 1995 and 1996.