FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[EastCoastStag]

It is sad to see Wabby's dad go. I haven't seen a campaign like that since the Brady Quinn for Heisman... oh wait that is still underway. Unfortunately, I think he cost his son some major offers. His carrying on on the Nova board? That was beyond rediculous. I am surprised the kid didn't see this going on and put a stop to it. Chance are it made him take a hit D1 or D1-AA wise and I would bet the poor frosh is taking flack for it currently. It is one thing to be enthusiastic about your kid, but that was just way over the top. Once busted, he could not even admit to it. If I was the kid, I'd be getting my father some help of the shrink kind. Let the kid play and enjoy it. It's college, the parent politics are vastly different than in HS. For example, not that I remember that well, but the whole CJ Leak situation at Tenn. His father campaigned and campaigned... in the end, CJ became a TE and played out his senior year as best he could. Let the kid play. He is the one who is going to remember it the most. Who knows, he could have hurt the kid's chances to play, period, at Redlands. Let's hope not. Not for the father's sake, but for the kid's.
Although, if DGD aka the father had stuck around and kept up the campaign, we might have been able to see the true state of Redlands Football.... and by this I mean if the coaching staff was desperate enough to turn to a chatroom for football strategy advice? If this happened, I would be very worried, and disappointed for Redlands.
Personally, I respect the program, despite my strong disdain for them as a player. Respect does not mean admiration or gushing over it. However, I think it is time to point out the differences between the Redlands of old and the Redlands of today. The perfect example would be the good 'ol U (Miami). Let us look at their latest game against Louisville- coming out and jumping around on the midfield symbol. All talk and nothing to show for it. Unfortunately, I think the dominance of Redlands in the late 90's and early 2000's created an environment where the players expect and believe the SCIAC crown is automatically going to them. This, left the door open for OXY. What OXY has that Redlands does not- URGENCY. I have seen this on the field and also now in the stands as a fan. For OXY, at least through last year, there was a sense of urgency on every drive and it showed in 2004 with their fantastic run. I do wish for a more competitive Redlands, I have nothing against them as a school or program (other than my deep disdain for them between the lines). However, I don't seem them posting a record better than 5-4.
SCIAC finish:
1 Oxy 9-0
2 CLU 8-1
3-5 CMC/Redlands/LaVerne in a toss up depending on who takes bigger hits v Oxy and CLU anywhere between 6-3 to 3-6 for all.
6 PP no better than 3-6.
7 Whittier. This is sad. However, they still have a chance. Hammer and his little brother are fantastic players and come from a powerhouse program. If given the opportunity, they will make a program down there. It will need the support of the admin. I hope they get it. 'Bash is a phenominal school and the same can be said for their football program.

[EastCoastStag]

Will Redlands challange for the title? Yes. Next year I fully expect that UR, OXY, and CLU will all be equals in the race. I hope all have a strong sense of urgency to represent the SCIAC and make the same headway that OXY made in '04.
I'll also be hoping that my Stags will be nipping at peoples heels and find a way to get in the mix. There seems to be a new and better attitude there as of recent.

Tough week against Bye-U.

Anyone seen UPS play this year, specifically their D?

[Browneagle64]

East coast stagg---Unfortunately, I think the dominance of Redlands in the late 90's and early 2000's created an environment where the players expect and believe the SCIAC crown is automatically going to them. This, left the door open for OXY. What OXY has that Redlands does not- URGENCY.

You pointed out exactly what Oxy did during the 2000 season and beyond. IMHO, this is what the staff at Oxy taught us the following year when we lost to Redlands 52-20. In doing so, they helped us understand what was needed in order to take the program to another level. And that was urgency in everything we did related to football and academics.

May hats off to Cal Lu recent run at 2-O. However, i feel that their luck will run out once the tigers marchin to face them. By then Oxy will have been tested by an upcoming stagg team and the return to....(i forgot their motto already) Bulldogs of relands. Hopefully the Cal Lu Spread works for the kingsmen this year and don't come in asleep to the game.

[RFB]

I respect your opinions regarding Redlands but people act as if they are dead in the water as a football program. People forget that they have as many SCIAC titles since 2000(00,02,03) as Oxy does. Also, Redlands dominated the conference in the 90's with six titles(90,91,92,96,97,99). My point is that although Redlands has been down for a few years they will bounce back. Laverne had a three year run in the 90's and has not been heard from since. Redlands has a history of bouncing back. As long as Coach Maynard is running the program, Redlands will always be a threat. Redlands will be back, sooner then most people think.

[Ron Boerger]

Well, Obob, if you look at the records of the P-P team that defeated Trinity, and the Redlands team that NEARLY did, you'll see that both teams barely played .500 ball in those respective seasons.  Meanwhile, Trinity didn't lose a regular season game last year, and  all three losses the 8-3 year were road games - two overnight with flights and a five hour bus trip that Trinity almost never makes.  But, right, as you say, travel doesn't make any difference when it comes to Division III games. 

This little tidbit from the South Region Fan Poll board might be interest:

Actually, that's a pretty fair point to make. I've heard Division III coaches make that argument, so if a pundit wants to make it too, I have no problem.

I heard the point, in fact, from a coach whose team was playing on the road in Week 14 and had not made an overnight trip all season. Mind you now, to be playing at all in Week 14 means you have to have a damn good ballclub. And this coach is now coaching a scholarship program, so I feel fairly certain he knows what he's talking about.

But then again, what do Pat and some guy coaching scholarship ball know?  Please accept my apologies for posting something that you obviously take issue with. 

[Browneagle64]

Hey RFB, you are right that some people forget about Redlands runs to the top at the SCIAC. I must agree with you on that. But, to tell you the truth and if you look at the scores for what i am about to mention......Redlands has not shown up in a dominating form since 200O. THe O2 and 03 runs happened to have gone in Redlands favor. But they games that they played against the top of the SCIAC were not all that great. i.e (Redlands-Oxy 02'----(42-35 (OT), Redlands -Oxy 03'( 18-14) Don't get me wrong though, any season we all expect the dawgs to get back to were they where in 00 and before. We just might not know for awhile.

Look for La Vern to Win their next game.

[OXY Oswald]

Better late than never, just got this in my inbox.

Tigers extend regular season win streak to 19, second longest in school history. Current longest streak is 20, set in 1985.

Tigers top Colorado College 48-34

            Tenth-ranked Occidental won its 19th consecutive regular-season contest 48-34 over Colorado College Saturday night at Patterson Field.

            The Tigers rang up 567 yards of total offense, passing the 500-yard plateau for the sixth time in 12 games and led 48-19 late in the third quarter. Occidental has posted a combined 97 points in its first two games for an easy-to-calculate average of 48.5, good enough to keep the Tigers among the national leaders in the scoring average for another week.

"It wasn't a great day for us," said veteran head coach Dale Widolff. "It's always good to get a win but we'll definitely take away a lot of things from this game that we need to work on in the week ahead in all phases, offense, defense, and kicking."

            Although they never led, Colorado College nearly eclipsed the 500-yard mark as well and passed for 379 yards, the highest non-playoff total allowed by Occidental since a 48-24 win over Redlands in 2004.

            Occidental scored on three of its first four possessions but also committed four turnovers in the game. Andy Collins '07 hit Daniel Rucker '10 with an eight-yard touchdown pass for the Tigers' first score, and later tossed a 13-yarder that ricocheted off Jordan Inabnit '10 and into the hands of Rocky Ciasulli '07 in the back of the end zone. Collins completed 29 of 40 with five touchdowns and three interceptions.

            Matt Andersen '08 rushed for a career-high 133 yards and two touchdowns, eclipsing his precious best (130), set against Colorado College in 2005. Inabnit caught two touchdowns of 56 and 11 yards and finished with seven receptions for 117 yards. Ciasulli made ten catches for a career-high 133 yards and also caught two touchdowns. Mike Wenchell '07 added 7 receptions for 78 yards while Rucker caught 5 for 45 yards.

            The offensive line was lead by Tom Gonzalez '09. Led by Gonzalez, and key blocks by fullback Jason Haller '08, they paved the way for 180 rushing yards while allowing no sacks.

            Anthony Ostland '08, a Second-Team All-SCIAC selection in 2005, returned to the Tiger defense after a one-game absence and collected 3 ½ tackles and one interception. Scott Ferguson filled up the stat sheet with five tackles, one interception, and one sack. Along with Ferguson, James Sabo '08, Vic Lopez '08, and Alex Wertheimer '10 led the defensive line and held Colorado College to 114 yards rushing. Jeremy Gruber '07 contributed with 4 tackles

            After an early bye week, Occidental begins SCIAC play on September 30 against Claremont-Mudd-Scripps. The Tigers defeated the Stags 47-16 last season and have won the last three meetings. Kickoff is scheduled for 7pm at Patterson Field.

[EastCoastStag]

RFB,
I am not disputing the past. However I find the Coach comment a bit strange in a way. I admire the respect and commitment to the coach. But, several pages of posts ago someone made an interesting comment as to the head coach and the OC. It seems as if the Redlands O is struggling mightly and that the OC is not making smart play calls. the poster asked if Coach Maynard could even see what was going on? If this is the case, maybe the Redlands tradition isn't completely safe in his hands. That I do not know. Never met the guy for more than half a second in a post-game line. But asking if the head coach is aware of what the OC is doing? That would make even the most dedicated fan leery. Bottom line, it is the players that play and win games. No matter what a coach does or a coordinator does, their players must execute it. I would hope the players are taking it upon themselves to execute and change the current path.
As I said, I believe Redlands will come back to be a dominant power... but as for the time being- I think the program is at a crossroads. If a sense of urgency is not instilled in everyone from the HC to the practice squad freshmen, then they might be in for a run of 4-5/5-4 years. Will that tarnish the legacy? No. But at some point the mediocrity will light a fire underneath someone's a$$.  It just seems that if coaches and players are held to a "what have you done for me lately" standard, we should do the same for programs. Redlands has a storied past. But, for the last several years, they have been slightly better than middle of the pack and nothing more than a threat... just a threat, not a legitimate contender for playoff success. Who knows, they could run the table this year, or Whittier could have a winning season. It just seems that maybe everyone involved- boosters (I mean fans) to players and coaches need to take a page from the Belichick playbook in New England and nitpick everything to death, for them, even a super bowl win isn't good enough- perfection is all that matters.  I guess to sum up what I am saying- everyone at Redlands needs to look themselves in the mirror and say we're not the Redlands of 4 years ago and we're certainly not the Redlands of ten years ago. What do we have to do and change to be better than those teams.

That being said, I cannot believe I am actually contributing ideas to make Redlands good again. Thankfully I still disdain them inbetween the lines.

BrownEagle.
I'm glad the coaches at Oxy did that for you and your team. Instilling that sense of urgency will serve those men far longer than 2-a-days or lockerroom debates about Freud, Marx, and Locke.

As for my own Stags, I hope there is a strong sense of urgency.  Nothing would make me happier than to hear a discussion of a well-fought CMS W over one of the league's best.  They can do it, or maybe that is my eternal optimism.

Final thought- Cal Tech needs a serious athletic program. MIT is a better school (slightly) and has teams that showup and play- including football. They even have some decent big boys on that team... a 6'5" 250+ TE I believe. (And no, he's not my little brother and I'm not pushing for him to start at QB and take MIT to the Stagg Bowl.) Football is a game about life and teaches you just as much about real world success as does physics. MIT sees this, so does Rose Hulman, and other science/engineering schools. It would be beneficial for all involved to see Cal Tech attempt to run a serious athletic program. If nothing else, I bet the students would at least be happier.

[RFB]

RFB,
I am not disputing the past. However I find the Coach comment a bit strange in a way. I admire the respect and commitment to the coach. But, several pages of posts ago someone made an interesting comment as to the head coach and the OC. It seems as if the Redlands O is struggling mightly and that the OC is not making smart play calls. the poster asked if Coach Maynard could even see what was going on? If this is the case, maybe the Redlands tradition isn't completely safe in his hands. That I do not know. Never met the guy for more than half a second in a post-game line. But asking if the head coach is aware of what the OC is doing? That would make even the most dedicated fan leery. Bottom line, it is the players that play and win games. No matter what a coach does or a coordinator does, their players must execute it. I would hope the players are taking it upon themselves to execute and change the current path.
As I said, I believe Redlands will come back to be a dominant power... but as for the time being- I think the program is at a crossroads. If a sense of urgency is not instilled in everyone from the HC to the practice squad freshmen, then they might be in for a run of 4-5/5-4 years. Will that tarnish the legacy? No. But at some point the mediocrity will light a fire underneath someone's a$$.  It just seems that if coaches and players are held to a "what have you done for me lately" standard, we should do the same for programs. Redlands has a storied past. But, for the last several years, they have been slightly better than middle of the pack and nothing more than a threat... just a threat, not a legitimate contender for playoff success. Who knows, they could run the table this year, or Whittier could have a winning season. It just seems that maybe everyone involved- boosters (I mean fans) to players and coaches need to take a page from the Belichick playbook in New England and nitpick everything to death, for them, even a super bowl win isn't good enough- perfection is all that matters.  I guess to sum up what I am saying- everyone at Redlands needs to look themselves in the mirror and say we're not the Redlands of 4 years ago and we're certainly not the Redlands of ten years ago. What do we have to do and change to be better than those teams.

That being said, I cannot believe I am actually contributing ideas to make Redlands good again. Thankfully I still disdain them inbetween the lines.

BrownEagle.
I'm glad the coaches at Oxy did that for you and your team. Instilling that sense of urgency will serve those men far longer than 2-a-days or lockerroom debates about Freud, Marx, and Locke.

As for my own Stags, I hope there is a strong sense of urgency.  Nothing would make me happier than to hear a discussion of a well-fought CMS W over one of the league's best.  They can do it, or maybe that is my eternal optimism.

Final thought- Cal Tech needs a serious athletic program. MIT is a better school (slightly) and has teams that showup and play- including football. They even have some decent big boys on that team... a 6'5" 250+ TE I believe. (And no, he's not my little brother and I'm not pushing for him to start at QB and take MIT to the Stagg Bowl.) Football is a game about life and teaches you just as much about real world success as does physics. MIT sees this, so does Rose Hulman, and other science/engineering schools. It would be beneficial for all involved to see Cal Tech attempt to run a serious athletic program. If nothing else, I bet the students would at least be happier.

My comments about Coach Maynard are spot on. I know because I played for the man for four years back when the program was at its strongest. He is a great coach and knows his stuff. Trust me, he is not the problem. Not to knock the current players but maybe the talent we had when I played was just that much better. I challenge the players on the current team that will read this to prove me wrong. I know that they work hard, all Redlands teams do. I have faith that they will make a strong run the rest of the season.

[EastCoastStag]

Everything looks better when we look back on it. We always say, we were never THAT lame when we were in college etc.
But seriously, like I said, I don't know him other than a few handshakes worth of time. But, if you played and know his character... then you are right and are more importantly right to challange the players. I won't question a coach.... other than maybe for a mentally deficient decision to do something like go for it on 4th and inches on your own 5 yd line when up by 14. But I think everyone there should be challenging the players. That was the other thing I noticed about Oxy in the recent past, the players played with a chip on their shoulder like Redlands... but their talking on the field was less focused on the other team and more focused on working to better their in-game performance. Was their trashtalking? Yeah, of course. But it just seemed to be put to better use.
Challenge the players, maybe that will change the attitudes or motivate to work smarter. Either that or someone other than Redlands making a huge run in the playoffs and having to stay home and watch it.

[EastCoastStag]

Today's final comments.

Jumping the bandwagon for Cal Tech football. Come on. It would be great. the SCIAC could play a full 10 game schedule. More games, more football, more banter, and it would improve Cal Tech overall. There is no way they would fall to the level of Oberlin with that 44 game losing streak.  Besides, the MIT beaver logo is pretty fierce looking, more so than a Poet. Maybe before my kids play ball in college, there will be a program.

Secant Cosin Tangent Sine 3.14159

Or the "thats allright, thats ok, you're going to work for us someday"

[frank uible]

According to the current U. S. News and World Report rankings, Cal Tech is a superior college to M.I.T. - not that I have a dog in that fight.

[Gray Fox]

Today's final comments.

Jumping the bandwagon for Cal Tech football. Come on. It would be great. the SCIAC could play a full 10 game schedule. More games, more football, more banter, and it would improve Cal Tech overall. There is no way they would fall to the level of Oberlin with that 44 game losing streak.  Besides, the MIT beaver logo is pretty fierce looking, more so than a Poet. Maybe before my kids play ball in college, there will be a program.

Secant Cosin Tangent Sine 3.14159

Or the "thats allright, thats ok, you're going to work for us someday"

CalTech even has trouble finding enough pitchers for their baseball team, but they try. Many of their basketball players never played in high school.  There was a story last year in Sports Illustrated about that.   I think that MIT has many more students than Caltech, so they can come up with the numbers for all sports.

I just checked MIT has 4070 and Caltech has 891.  That is 4.5679012 times larger for MIT.

[diehardfan]

Today's final comments.

Jumping the bandwagon for Cal Tech football. Come on. It would be great. the SCIAC could play a full 10 game schedule. More games, more football, more banter, and it would improve Cal Tech overall. There is no way they would fall to the level of Oberlin with that 44 game losing streak.  Besides, the MIT beaver logo is pretty fierce looking, more so than a Poet. Maybe before my kids play ball in college, there will be a program.

Secant Cosin Tangent Sine 3.14159

Or the "thats allright, thats ok, you're going to work for us someday"

CalTech even has trouble finding enough pitchers for their baseball team, but they try. Many of their basketball players never played in high school.  There was a story last year in Sports Illustrated about that.   I think that MIT has many more students than Caltech, so they can come up with the numbers for all sports.

I just checked MIT has 4070 and Caltech has 891.  That is 4.5679012 times larger for MIT.

Given that there are only three significant figures in Cal Tech's number... MIT's actually 4.57 times larger

[Eye of da TIGER]

Shout out to the Oxy WR's, two games and two excellent performances!!! Winch and Rocky are holding it down, and the freshman Jordan Inabnit has been a pleasant surprise!!! Despite playing LC and CC, the WRs are playing awesome.  Keep working hard because its a joy to watch.  Cuz you know there isnt any better WR core in the SCIAC than Oxy!! You guys keep making that QB of yours....Andy Collins, look good!