FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Gray Fox]

OxyBob,
That makes a Monty Python skit look lame in comparison.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

To an Oxy fan- they would like CLU to have a loss going into the Oxy CLU game.

Good overall discussion, but as an Oxy fan, I'm torn.  On the one hand, if Cal Lu takes a loss to CMS it means that Oxy has a much better chance at the SCIAC championship.  It also, however, would lower Oxy's quality of wins at the end of the day (as Cal Lu's stock would drop big time, imho) . . . from an overall SCIAC perspective, I think I'd rather see Cal Lu dominate, gain some love on the national scene, and set up a meeting of undefeateds on Oct. 28.  That's the best scenario for a pool C bid for the SCIAC runner-up.  If Cal Lu takes the hit, no way SCIAC gets two teams into the playoffs . . . again, imho.

Too early to be talking about this eh?

Oh yes, one more things . . . I don't think that the Bulldogs program is all that low . . . they're 0-4 including 3 losses to top nationally ranked teams.  I think that Chapman was a fluke.  Now clearly the offense is in trouble, but I won't be convinced that the program is in dire straits until or unless it takes a loss against a SCIAC team other than Oxy or Cal Lu . . . with no disrespect intended to Claremont, the difference between the Oxy Claremont game and the Oxy Redlands game is marked.  I don't think CMS is in the class of Oxy, Redlands or CLU yet.  The Kingsmen will own the Stags.

cheers,

tooth

[DawgHeaven]

I do not know how anyone can blame the OC for the troubles the Bulldogs are having offensively?  The OC did not throw the 11 interceptions in the first two games.  I know, and so do all the other Bulldogs that Pomona is next and they will be ready.  Here is an interesting scenario.  Cal Lu beats Oxy, which is very possible if they can limit turnovers, the Bulldogs beat the Cal Lu saying that they win Sat and through the Cal Lu game.  Now there is a three way tie for first.  With a 5-4 Redlands team.  Just saying.  Redlands will get on track and win out.  That is my prediction.

[Browneagle64]

As much as I want the Cal LU-CMS to be a good game, CAL LU comes out and destroys the youngsters at CMS.

CMS comes in with to many young people. I am sure that these rook's are being groomed for the future, but, unless they have King Kong running the ball like they used to (back in 00-03 i believe), there is no way they can cool down Cal Who's intensity. Again, I wish CMS could upset Cal Lu, But i'll give the WHo the win...(just my opinion by the way) Cal 52 CMS 24

[Eye of da TIGER]

ECS said:

"It would be nice to have a 'ceiv group not committed to being the best drinkers in the SCIAC. "

Haha thats great.  I didnt know they had that award.  Are they that good? You just gotta understand that 'ceives are just a little different.

[labart96]

Good overall discussion, but as an Oxy fan, I'm torn.  On the one hand, if Cal Lu takes a loss to CMS it means that Oxy has a much better chance at the SCIAC championship.  It also, however, would lower Oxy's quality of wins at the end of the day (as Cal Lu's stock would drop big time, imho) . . . from an overall SCIAC perspective, I think I'd rather see Cal Lu dominate, gain some love on the national scene, and set up a meeting of undefeateds on Oct. 28.  That's the best scenario for a pool C bid for the SCIAC runner-up.  If Cal Lu takes the hit, no way SCIAC gets two teams into the playoffs . . . again, imho.

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Tooth -

I agree.

From an outsider's POV, it appears to me that the current SCIAC is in a similar state that my east coast alma mater's league was in a few years back. 

Our league got little national love, and were lucky to get one - if any - team(s) in the NCAA tournament.  However, over the past 5-6 years we had a couple of teams emerge year in and out that were solid - based on league, interconference and post season play. 

For the past couple of seasons, we've had the benefit of the league champ getting the AQ (the league champ has also usually been either undefeated or with one loss) and our #2 team getting a Pool C bid with an 8-1 and/or 9-1 record.

This has created a recruiting boon for the programs and the league overall has improved from a parity standpoint.  Our NCAA qualifying teams have even stepped up their performance each year as well which has also helped the cause.

I think it would be great for the SCIAC to have 2 programs have a shot at the NCAAs on an annual basis.  It can only make those programs and the entire league stronger.

No disrespect to CMC, but a battle of the unbeatens on 10/28 would be what I would hope for as well.

[EastCoastStag]

BrEagle: King Kong? As much as I love off colour jokes on any subject... I hope you are referencing his style of running. Kidding. I'm not a touchy feely person about off color jokes and neither was he. Gocong was a beast with the football in his hands. Little Gocong from Cal Poly holds the single season I-AA sack record (I believe with 23) and was a 3rd round selection by the Eagles. Wish he came to CMC.
As for the game, we don't have a King Kong.........yet, but there are a couple who maybe in a year or two. They may be young. But, I believe (from my limited interactions this year) that the leadership is better than in years past. I believe that if everything breaks our way and that CLU slips up here or there.... there is a chance. I am the eternal optimist. I mean I think CMS v Oxy 2nds would be a thriller. But as for the game v CLU, I already gave my personal reasons on the previous page.

Eye: Oh I know 'ceives are a little different. There was a reason I preferred to be in the backfield. I won't air dirty laundry on this board. Not right to my guys or to the board. That all being said... my comment is directed toward the character of the little guys and their attitudes. I see positive things. Attitudes have changed dramatically and hopefully the young-uns will committed to being a strong group of playmakers in the SCIAC for years to come. We have some tall guys I know can contribute as well. I hope that team politics will not keep them off the field either.
I think the award should be real. Hand it out at the end of the year with all the others. A 1st team drinkers for every position in the SCIAC. Somehow, despite our reputation (and the school purchased alcohol), CMC wouldn't have the most 1st team drinkers. IMHO

Pumpkin: Oh I agree, as a casual fan I want to see an undefeated OXY CLU slugfest. That would be worth at least $5. But as a loyal fan with bias, I also want to see us pull the upset. Regardless of whether or not we do pull the upset, I'll be pulling for both OXY and CLU to head to the playoffs. The SCIAC needs it. But, I turn my attention to more important things.. such as the potential for season building upsets. One has to be hopeful. God knows, it is what is going to save Redlands fans this year..... kidding folks, I have no bones to pick with them at the moment.

But my greatest hope is to no longer hear "with no disrespect to CMC." That was the case 2000-2003. Time to bring that back again.

[EastCoastStag]

Oh and BOB... as for CMS Redlands... you wouldn't understand. Just like there are OXY rivalry games that I don't have a clue as to the intensity, there are ones for CMS. As a player, you hate Redlands. You just do. I didn't think I would when I came to CMC, but once you get between the lines, it happens: the talking, chipping, late hits, anoying fans, arrogant players, everything about Redlands makes you hate them on the field. In many ways, it is more intense than the PP game.
Just because the OXY CMS score and the OXY UR scores say certain things, in no way predicts the outcome of the CMS Redlands game. If it did, then we might as well hand last years national championship trophy to Ohio Northern for their game against Mt. Union. Because they beat Mount, therefore they would beat Whitewater. Therefore they are national champs.
Yes yes I know, you think I learned nothing and cannot reason because a CMC eduation is far below an Oxy. Ok you made your point.
I am saying I know the character of my team, my program, and my rivalries. If we get our ass handed to us by UR, then we must have deserved it. Otherwise, I firmly believe that there is a chance and that this is the year to rebound against UR.

note: to all URedlands fans... I merely despise UR Football between the lines. No real illwill off the field.
Oh and as for the "save Redlands fans" comment in my previous post. That was all in jest. I've been on the bottom of a football program before... I've been through a worse season than Redlands could ever imagine. I would never wish that on anyone except Pomona perhaps. They are hopefull and that will serve the program well to again get to the top of the SCIAC.

[EastCoastStag]

Bob,
Do youhave anything better to do besides sifting through people's posts and picking out the phrases that fit what you think?  I spoke as a player. I spoke to game experience. When is the last time you even had any? 30 years ago? Is your self-worth determined by your posting and psychoanalysis of others? I respect the opinions of Redlands fans. I respect the opinons of Oxy fans... I respect all SCIAC fans on here. Like I said, I spoke as to what fires CMS players up for Redlands games and what I experienced as a player in those games. Once you step between the lines in a CMS UR game, everything about that game, about that specific UR team makes you disain them. Once the clock is at zero... it is gone and they become other young men wearing pads and eye black. You, could not see that. No, you chose to pick through and twist my words. Juvenile. Childish. Have I once bashed Redlands as an institution? No. I dislike their team between the lines. Otherwise I respect their fans and their tradition.
I respect Eye, Saber, and everyone else, save you. I enjoy them thoroughly because they have whit and make intelligent posts. You are a shrew of a man who determines his self-worth by degrading other institutions, teams, and individuals. I will never sink to you level.

[DawgFan1]

I do not know how anyone can blame the OC for the troubles the Bulldogs are having offensively?  The OC did not throw the 11 interceptions in the first two games.  I know, and so do all the other Bulldogs that Pomona is next and they will be ready.  Here is an interesting scenario.  Cal Lu beats Oxy, which is very possible if they can limit turnovers, the Bulldogs beat the Cal Lu saying that they win Sat and through the Cal Lu game.  Now there is a three way tie for first.  With a 5-4 Redlands team.  Just saying.  Redlands will get on track and win out.  That is my prediction.

Let me tell you how you can blame the "play calling" (we will remove any coach's name from the equation).  Don't know if you were a player or what you did but that doesn't  matter. When you run every 1st and 2nd down so you stick your QB with a 3rd and long every series, THEN, you only send out one or two receivers who run the same pattern and get doubled up on (because by this time the defense has a darn good handle on what is going to happen) the DB's are ready and jump on the ball as soon as it is released. The blitz comes BIG TIME, causing the QB to either rush the throw, run the ball or get sacked. Get a grip on reality! The only common denominator in the first two Redlands' games between the three QBs was the play calling. Is it your opinion all three QBs suck? I didn't hear any mention about what the receivers did. Although the QBs threw the balls, were the receivers in position, running the correct patterns, to catch the balls? The receiver has two jobs, either catch the ball himself or prevent the defense from catching it.

Now Saturday night, the play calling was good; O'Boyle did a great job. The problem Saturday was the receivers as several "good" passes were dropped, two of which were sure TDs. Now if you watched both the Oxy game and the Chapman game and cannot see the difference in the play calling, which is done by the OC (again I won't mention any names) then there is no point having a discussion with you as your agenda is to apparently defend the OC.

[Browneagle64]

Haha, Can I offer a chill Pill to some of you guys..... (ECS,,,,,, Just kidding by the way)

ECS, You bring up good points about how players feel emtionally, physically and mentally when you are facing certain teams throughout the season. And you are absolutely right about when the lines are drawn. You keep all legal agrressiveness on the field and other stuff off the field. It's human nature to want to hate another team in order to add fuel to your instict of survival and intensity. Heck, it motivates you to the point were thats all you think about. When all is said and done, you leave everything on the field. No need to go beyond that,IMHO.  

Quick note: After going 3-1 against Cal Lu while at Oxy, I remember towards the end of one of those games in which several of CAl LU players asked if they could come celebrate with us. In return, we extended our hands out and invited them. Sure some of my teammates hated them during the game, but all was left on the field.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

then there is no point having a discussion with you as your agenda is to apparently defend the OC.

I'm sorry, I don't see how anyone with half a brain could watch that show . . .

what were we talking about?



tooth

[dawg gone it]

All this talk about who is going to beat who is great...but.....I dont understand how anyone can assume any team in the SCIAC  is going to beat Redlands.  UR gave Oxy everything they could handle and if the offense had performed a bit better... who knows?  I'm not woulda, couldaing, just trying to point out that it was a very close and good game between the #11 team in the nation and at the time, an 0-3 Redlands.  Whitworth and Trinity are legit, the Chapman loss, well, I need to reserve comment on that one but, my point is...I dont think anyone should write off the dawgs......if they continue to improve offensively I think they can run the table and finish very strong and build for next year.

ECS...... I admire your enthusiasm toward your team and while I dont agree with you on all points, I do agree with you on many, especially on the pathetic one.  You dont need decaf, but the someone who suggests you do needs a life and either anti-depressants or a 12 gauge shot gun with at leat a dozen shells, in case he misses. I am willing to supply my Remmington if called upon to do so.

I played college basketball and when on the court, I hated the opponent, after the game, it's another story, maybe hate is a bit strong, but its called.....competiveness......its fine as long as when the game is over, so is the hostility, and thats called....good sportsmanship, only something an athelete would understand.  You just cant get it from typing on your pc, or doing a google search.  

[OXY Oswald]

Hmmmmm, not sure why Cal Lu will all the sudden be the underdog?  Obviously I am a "Who" fan, but they have won 18 of 19 (I know, I know.  OXY crushed them last year ).  WHy all the sudden does a team like CMS become the team that will beat CLU?  

Well I didn't actually say underdog... perhaps just surprised Kingsmen.  I have to agree with ECS here, I see a CMS team that could be on the rise.  They've got some size at WR, a decent QB, the motivation, and a chance against the 2nd best team in the SCIAC right now.  After what I'm sure was a disappointing performance against Oxy, this game is Claremont's season -- anything after this, including the Redlands game, won't matter if they lose. 

Interesting thoughts on the repercussions of a Cal Lu loss.  I would like to see both teams make the playoffs (assuming it isn't a SCIAC rematch... damn NC$$).  Hope that explains my prediciton.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

From the latest "Around the Region:"

SCIAC
Favorite: Cal Lutheran may feel like it has a claim to the favorite title but Occidental gets the nod after back-to-back trips to the playoffs. The Tigers have followed quarterback Andy Collins lead and rolled to their 21st consecutive regular season win last week over Redlands. The defense has come together to replace the void left by MVP Mike Bryant. The only factor playing against Occidental and other SCIAC teams is their weak schedules. Very few have played solid NWC teams or traveled to the Midwest to challenge a WIAC opponent as several NWC teams have done over the past years. Occidental's win at Concordia in 2004 shows they can play with the Midwest teams but this is a new squad in 2006. Time will tell how far they go.

Disappointment:  Redlands is plummeting after winning the SCIAC title back-to-back in 2002-03. Sitting at 0-4, the Bulldogs have at least played three Top 25 teams in Whitworth, Trinity (Texas) and Occidental. They should be able to salvage the rest of their SCIAC schedule but this team is clearly not the cream of the SCIAC crop as it was in the early '00s.

The Big One: Oct. 28, Occidental at Cal Lutheran
Cal Lutheran has won 18 of its last 19 with the only loss coming to Occidental last season 41-9. The Kingsmen felt betrayed when they didn't make the playoffs in 2005 with a one loss record. Their schedule strength hurt them in that regard. They need to get a win over Occidental this year if they want to get into the playoffs. A one loss record in 2006 won't look any better than it did season. This game should be a phenomenal battle as two of the best quarterbacks in the country square off in Occidental's Andy Collins and Cal Lutheran's Danny Jones. Look this to be a high scoring affair and the winner to take the conference as no other teams appear ready or able to make a run at the crown.

Looks to me like the Oxy defense, particularly the secondary, has a real test coming up.