FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DawgHeaven]

Well stated about the people who come to the games.  Redlands is starting to see more people at their games, but when the local high schools played a couple of weeks ago they drew about 10,000.  it would be nice if the Redlands Oxy game had 5,000.  The was one of the cool things about St. John in 2002, they had 10,000 people in attendance.

[wildcat11]

Bulldog,

SJU is an awesome place to play or watch a game.  I wasn't sure about that 10,000 number for the 2002 Redlands/SJU game.  I thought I remember seeing the stats and only about 2-3 thousand listed for that game.

I took a look at their stats and saw the announced attendance at: 2272

That number is probably off but it always seem their crowd numbers go way down in the playoffs due to the weather, and the teams SJU play have to travel a long ways away and can't pack the place as well as MN. teams that are just down the block.

[Tom Brady]

Imagine that.  Just hours after making a comment about Liger and his karma being the way it is, mine takes a vote on the negative side.  Funny how these things work .

Hmmm, Cal LU and ULV battle it out for third.  I still think you have to throw Redlands in there in that group.  If Cal LU bets ULV and Redlands, ahhhh, you all know what I mean.  I am sure looking forward to that CLU/Redlands game.  Hope it turns out to be a good one, say CLU by 21.  Just kidding Redlands fans.  Who knows, it could be the battle for 2nd place.

[Browneagle64]

I had mentioned this to everyone on the board during the summer and some of you guys forgot, i must agree that this is my first year as a poster on this site. I never knew such program like this existed and thus thought this was new. Until a couple of you guys proved me wrong. Like Chi-Town had mentioned, some of the recent grads of Oxy have been posting because we just graduated. Heck, i knew about oxy since 1998, but did not even know this  posting site existed.
What i am trying to say is that now that i figured out new things, i usually go a head a try it out.

Anyway's, just like the days at Oxy, I have learned to hear things from Redlands fans. Which is fine, that is just human nature. But as i have mentioned in the past, Oxy's future has just begun. Everything they do is just going in the right way. Just as i had seen when i was there.  So, i congratulate them. But I know as well as they know, they have to take it one game at a time. Which they will do fine against Redlands.

Tom B- I just think that U.L.V might do fine. Probabily should be a good game for both of them. Just thought that U.L.V could step up their game and make it close. THats all i meant

Good luck to all   

[Tom Brady]

I got ya Browneagle.  I never thought you meant anything bad by it.  Havent seen ULV play, only seen the "Who" play once.  Sounds like it should be a great game.  How 'bout that Karma too.  Make a comment and it shoots right back up to even.

[Orange/Black32]

I will explain why I call Oxy fans bandwagoners.  When we, the Bulldogs, played in Eagle Rock in 2001, for the championship, the Bulldogs fans outnumbered the Oxy fans.  Then in 2003, the same thing happened.  What is funny about that is that the Bulldogs have never drawn well.  Hope that clarifies the bandwagon issue. 

Just an FYI, both times that Redlands played at the Rock, the low fan draw was due to the students being on fall break, not because of lack of team support. And I am not a bandwagoner, just a recent grad.

[ChiTownOxyMoron]

I think that with success in any program fans, particularly ex-players, will feel more comfortable posting. I'm happy to see more post. It makes for a more diverse posting environment than there was last year. A greater variety of points of view make the debates more fun.

OxyFan- I am an Angel fan through and through. I grew up in Orange County, and I'm only in Chicago for grad school. Go Angels! I'd love to see Angels v. Cardinals in the World Series. I almost got killed by a hoard of screaming Sox fans at a bar last night after "The Call." A word of warning: Don't wear red to a south side bar this week.

[twoducks]

In regards to the upcoming Redlands game with Oxy I would like to put my 2 Cents in, I gotta believe that there is no way Oxy is gonna let Redlands run on them, their D just plays the run tuff, atleast from what I have seen, Bryant and that bunch is very good at getting to the ball.  Several times I saw Bryant make tackels for a loss or short gain when he shouldn't have been near the play.  He has a very good knack for sliding down the line.  Redlands will need to pass to win the game, Coleman, Selway and the rest will need to step up and even more important the O line has to give the QB time.  As far as Oxy's O, if you can't contain Collins on the inital rush he will beat you everytime with his running or else his throwing, he looked very complete and has the WR to compliment him.  Their running game at the time I saw them wasn't that great but Collins made something from nothing over and over.
As far as Cal Lu/Laverne, last years game was a barn burner and I feel this one should be good also, I am gonna go with Cal Lu by 7, but not knowing much about LaVerne other then how they played Redlands it should be interesting.  Kinda wonder about the 10/7 half time score and the run away after the half time adjustments but I give Maynard alot of credit, he's a good coach.

[Foss]

You guys should all read this week's Around the Nation. There's some good stuff on the SCIAC. Two things stand out relative to Occidental:

1. A quote from Redland's coach Mike Maynard: "There's lots of good football in conference and Oxy is leading the charge," Maynard said. "They haven't played the level of competition as some other teams, so I would expect them to be undefeated."

I wonder what he means by that? 

2. ATN writer Keith McMillan seems to agree w/ Tiger fans who think their team should be ranked ahead of the MIAC leader. I don't know about that, but I figured some of you would like to hear it.

[Browneagle64]

Tom B-- Thanks for the suggestion, never thought that my Karma would drop. I Just wanted to support the other schools that are playing this weekend while the tigers are off for their bye week. I  also just wanted to point out that maybe, just maybe, U.L.V would make this a good game. Yes, their game last week at the Half was 10 to 7 to a good Redlands team. But, As i mentioned before, i just hope that U.L.V and Whitter end up turning heads this year. Nothing bad against anyone, just wondering if the game turns out to be good.

Still, waiting for next week though. Hopefully, all lot of people end up visiting the Rock next Saturday for a real good game.

[scandihoovian]

ChiTown-
I appreciate what you have to add to the board, and if there's a bandwagon you need to watch out for it's the White Sox bandwagon.  There were maybe 100,000 people in that city who would claim to be Sox fans at the start of this season.  Of course if you're on the South Side (I'm assuming University of Chicago) that changes a little but I think you get my point.

As for the whole bandwagon issue, I think it's natural that success draws interest.  I realize that many of the younger Oxy guys who post here are only familiar with the recent history of the Tigers in the conference, that in turn can frustrate those of us with more of a long term perspective.  Regardless, I am glad to have more interest in the SCIAC and a larger discussion of what's going on with the conference.

I realize it's early for this kind of talk, and I know it's always tough for a conference to get 2 teams into the post-season, but there are two scenarios where that might happen:
1) Redlands runs the table with a close win over Oxy - making the Dogs champs and Oxy an 8-1 runner up.  The challenge here to Oxy would be their weak non-conference schedule.
2) Oxy and Cal Lu run the table.  Oxy is a 9-0 conference champ, Cal Lu is an 8-1 runner up.  Obvious drawback of Cal Lu is their poor showing at Oxy.  Saturday's game between CLU and LaVerne is a good opportunity for the Kingsmen to show that they are a much better team than they were on Sept. 24th.

[Foss]

scandihoovian, I've been wondering what would happen if Redlands defeats Oxy, too. I think Oxy's weak schedule might keep them out of the postseason. However, their good showing in the playoffs last year and very high ranking this season would make it interesting as far as them possibly receiving an at large bid. I think if Redlands wins the SCIAC, they may actually have a distant shot at a first round home game where they could host an at large Oxy or a second place NWC team that could sneak in. Redlands tough out of conference schedule (especially the great showing against Trinity) may help them out this year. Maybe the fact there was a second NWC team in the playoffs last year helped Oxy a little in getting a home game (saved on first round travel and cost expense having two west coast teams play), whereas when Redlands won the SCIAC in '02 and '03, there was only one other west coast team in the postseason, and a high seed at that (and yes, I'm aware Redlands had a worse overall regular season record those years than Oxy did in '04 which could have also played a role). Or, because Redlands will have two losses, they might have to travel again this year and they would pit the lower seeded NWC team (if one makes it) or at large Oxy against Linfield since there is no longer a first round bye. At any rate, I think a second place NWC team or at large Oxy would at least help the Bulldogs chances in finally getting a home game if they win the SCIAC. As for Cal Lu, like Redlands, I don't think they get in unless they win the conference. Just my thoughts.

[desertcat1]

foss:

I don't think "they" will let three west coats teams in this year, unless  the rats win out , which  could be an opiton.  I think you will see the so.cal team play the cats in the first round to save on the $$$$...

Go Cats 
50 in 05

[Foss]

desertcat, I agree with you. There will likely only be a max of three west coasts teams and no more (NWC champ, SCIAC champ, and then maybe either a NWC Pool B (Whitworth if they win out), or an at large Pool C Oxy if they finish w/ one loss). I don't think there will be both a second place NWC team and second (Pool C) SCIAC team. Especially when it looks like the WIAC and MIAC may each have two teams worth considering this year which could really crowd things up. It will be interesting to see how they seed the west coast teams, especially if there are three.

[scandihoovian]

Foss and Desertcat-

I agree it's probably only three teams from the west coast.  Redlands has to win the conference, and it's likely that Cal Lu would have to as well (their only only other shot would seem to be Whitworth losing again and some of the midwestern teams tanking a bit as well).  On that count Redlands controls it own destiny - they can win out for a conference championship, the Kingsmen cannot.

I wonder if anyone knows how they would determine the conference representative if Redlands beats Oxy and Cal Lu beats Redlands?  Assuming all three win all of their other games that leaves all of them at 5-1 in the conference.

At any rate, I'm getting ahead of myself.  Big game for CLU at LaVerne on Saturday - lots of football left to be played.