FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Browneagle64]

Rat--- Welcome Newbie.

Before you want to express your opinion remember to think before you write. And if you don't have time to look over the post, well, be ready to support any newbie nonsense you have to say. Just like any newbie, you don't want to look like a knucklehead when you come in not informed

Just my opinion by the way

[Browneagle64]

Scandii- With the weird weather thats been fluxuating in So.Cal as of late, get your pancho ready and hot coffee for "Mud Bowl 2" at the Clef. If not, then i hope to see you and those sweet gyms that you guys have on Oct.28.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

(509)Rat:

>>One other thing I've noticed is that Occidental's non-conference schedule is a cake-walk.  Why not schedule tougher opponents?  maybe travel out of the state once or twice?<<

Oh, look, RFB has a cousin who lives in the Pacific Northwest.

Thanks for the detailed response to my question...appearantly you didn't notice that I'm new to the boards and may not have read a previous answer burried in over 200 pages of crap.  You guys in southern california are just as polite on these message boards as you are while driving.  Maybe I should ask one of the Linfield fans...the fans, players, and coaches seem to know Occidental better than Oxy does judging by the last two beatings they gave them.

Yup, it's always nice when a newbie shows up spewin' venom and talkin' trash.  Look Rat, I addressed your some of your baseless comments a couple posts back, here's some more . . .

Oxy does travel out of state . . . Oregon and Colorado in alternate years under the current contracts.  Used to be to Trinity in Texas . . . so your "out of state" comments show, at best, your failure to grasp the every other year (home/away) of game agreements.  Whether your ignorance is wilful or merely benign, I can't judge.

As for your gratuitous driving comments, wow I think I'm bleeding.  So while I'm driving to the beach for a session of surfing after a morning of snowboarding, I'll be so sad that I can't be with the courteous drivers of eastern Washington .

The "why doesn't Oxy play a tougher out of conference schedule" has been beaten to death on this board . . . and if such discussion is "crap" to you, then why should we enlighten you?  For a Cliff Notes version, read as follows:

Boxers warm up with lower ranked opponents before getting the ranked contests.  Now, as for football:
Contracts are booked for mulitple years . . . programs go up and down.  Moreover, I think that football teams can do the same as boxers, warm up with less challenging opponents while finding their legs and allowing the team to jell.  Then, after getting warmed up, step it up to the more challenging teams.  That seems to work for Oxy, at least for the past few years.  Taking on the tougher opponents at the outset can be awfully discouraging . . . for example our friends at Redlands who played three top 25 teams in the first 4 outings of the year.  I'll take Oxy's results any day.  YMMV.

So bitch, whine, complain and jeer at Oxy's schedule . . . it seems to work and that cannot be disputed.  Would Oxy have done any better against Linfield the past two years if their pre-season had included Trinity or UWW?  I seriously doubt it.  The key is to get to the dance, and that has been accomplished.  And I have to say that the 'Cat fans (not all, but most) have shown the Tigers more respect that you have . . . maybe they just have a little more class?  Or maybe they know a little more about the subject?  Hell, they're probably just happy they didn't have to spend four years in Spokane.

So I went to the NWC website to check out Whitworth's historical performance . . . no wonder you're ragging on Oxy . . . I can see why you have an inferiority complex given Whitworth's stellar history at the middle of the NWC pack.  Sorry, that was mean . . . but I think you earned it.

Look dude, Whitworth has a very good team this year with an extraordinary qb.  Your 'Rats have done very well and will no doubt make it to the playoffs.  And if the Tigers meet the 'Rats, I expect a good game that could go either way.  You know you can be proud of your team and a good fan while at the same time showing a little class and respect for your opponents and others.  Give it a try, it won't hurt a bit.

tooth

[CRZK]

Man I LOVE our version of the "Welcome Wagon"   

(509) rat;  welcome to the board,  keep your newbie comments coming.  They do liven things up around here.

Of course, I am waiting to hear what you have to say in a couple of weeks when you guys meet up with Linfield.

Good video clips w11,  however echoing OB, they are tough to watch if you're not wearing purple.

[dawg gone it]

Take that newbie.......  Welcome aboard!!!!!

After seeing both the Rats and Oxy, although I will cheer for Oxy(ouch that hurts), I think the Rats are better. I think they are bigger, stronger and faster.  Those traits usually, add up to a win for tha team, but you never know.

If they meet, I think it would be a very close hard fought game that I would enjoy watching............ with Bob sitting on my right  singing ...that song!  and tooth on my left trying to get in between us!  and me sing that tamale song  (cant remember the first name).

[wildcat11]

CRZK:

>>Good video clips w11,  however echoing OB, they are tough to watch if you're not wearing purple.<<

It could be worse. Just be thankful that wildcat11's not from Central.

OxyBob

Bob,

Well that could either be a volley back with Central beating both Redlands (1990) or Linfield (2000) in the playoffs.  I don't have any footage of the Central vs. Redlands game but I do have the 2000 Central/Linfield game:  The Mishap/Miracle in the Mud.

You can find it either in catdomealumni.com's "Top Ten Over the Past Ten" or here is a direct link: The Mishap/Miracle in the Mud

[d-train]

Whitworth also went to the playoffs in 1960.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

CRZK:

>>Good video clips w11,  however echoing OB, they are tough to watch if you're not wearing purple.<<

It could be worse. Just be thankful that wildcat11's not from Central.

OxyBob

Bob,

Well that could either be a volley back with Central beating both Redlands (1990) or Linfield (2000) in the playoffs.  I don't have any footage of the Central vs. Redlands game but I do have the 2000 Central/Linfield game:  The Mishap/Miracle in the Mud.

You can find it either in catdomealumni.com's "Top Ten Over the Past Ten" or here is a direct link: The Mishap/Miracle in the Mud

WC11:  Bob's showing his age . . . (but not all of it  ) . . . it harkens back to the 1985 71-0 drubbing Central gave Oxy on the ice rink of a field the week after Oxy beat St. Johns.  (Oxy lost to Central the year before in the first round, 23-22). 

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Whitworth also went to the playoffs in 1960.

  I think it's referred to as "Damning with Faint Praise."

[edit:  Thanks to my editor in chief OxyBob for offering a corrective suggestion to my initial defective post].

[d-train]

d-train:

>>Whitworth also went to the playoffs in 1960<<

Thanks for that additional stat. I am unreservedly underwhelmed.

OxyBob

I should have put a smiley face in there...because I am 'u.u.' as well.

[dawg gone it]

To all the NWC posters.....if you haven't noticed any negative post about Oxy on this board meets with a tidal wave of response.....it's a battle you cant win no matter how  logical your position.  So give up.  

To all Oxy posters.....I admire your unbending loyalty to a program that is currently on top of it's game.  

GO DAWGS.....GO DEEP......dawg gone it.

[EastCoastStag]

Final Prediction Time for CMS v UoR:

Before an actual breakdown, there are several possible situations, and some posts have already spoken to some of them. As I look at it, there are only 4 real possibilities. Little pre-text: in my two games against UoR as a player, there were two vastly different games with two similar outcomes.
2004, stage comeback to lose by 7. Statistically, we kicked UoR's ass in the game. However stats don't matter $hit if they don't add up to a winning score. However, it was nice to be able to line up and run counter right/counter left  for 5 and 6 yards at a time and at will, even when they knew damn well it was coming. If not for poor attitudes (leading to poor play in the 1st half) shoulda coulda woulda... we won't go there.
2005. Ass kicking at home. Ouch. Free kick after a punt for a field goal using the kickoff formation? My pride. Played poorly, executed poorly, and the end result showed it.

All that history established- the possibilities for Saturday.

1) CMS gets assr@ped. Comes off of a long weeked for fall break and over confident from beating CLU... just plain talks the talk and doesn't bother to walk at all.
2/3) CMS (or UoR) wins in extremely close fashion, ie less than 7 and maybe less than 3. Hard fought bloody battle (insert the Kellen Winslow "I'm a f*cking soldier" quote here). Comes down to execution at critical moments.
4) CMS wins by a decent, but not blowout margin. A previous poster gave CMS 14, too much in my opinion. I'd love to see a win by 14 or more. Heck even 21. However, at this point I do not see it happening for reasons...

What I think will happen? Close game. Just like CLU was close.. (too close) this one will be as well. I do not believe that an extra day off will hurt CMS. There is a different character to this team than in teams past. I hope the CLU victory is out of their heads and they are focused on the task at hand. Based on the players I know in leadership positions, I will assume this to be the case. It was for last weekend. There is a sense of urgency developing in the players. I sincerely doubt there will be any overconfidence or cockiness in preparations. If there is a time, place, and year to beat Redlands, this is it, especially for this team... and especially since many a player remembers what should have been in 2004.

Yes, Redlands stomped PP. It was an asskicking and they needed that for the program, and inorder to get things going again. But, I just don't think stomping a team with 30 players is a yardstick to say "we are back!" Are they playing better? Yes. Will they be jacked up for CMS at home for homecoming? Yes. Of course. This will make it a good game. But, putting up great stats against PP is not the best measure for being able to run the table the rest of the way in the SCIAC.
UoR has struggled on offense. The interceptions are trouble. The vast majority of yards and stats were gained against PP. That doesn't exactly build faith to an observer. Yes, their Defense plays strong, but I am not sure that is going to be enough.

Strengths for CMS:
Offense: Option attack. Rotation of strong backs and good running QB. Don't throw more than 25 times a game, however, good completion percentage, possestion receivers, and only 1 INT. OLine is coming together. Moves well together and has developed the ability to think outside of the box when it comes to assignments in-game.
Defense: Linebackers-solid sideline to sideline. Can run well. Aggressive to the ball on the run and able to read and drop. Probably the best unit on defense. D-ends. Yes, we miss the stud from last year. But the starters and subs are playing solid, providing opportunities for the LBs. Safetys, ballhawks and love to hit. strong on run, and nose for the ball. Love to breakup 'ceives in midair.
Special Teams: deep kickoffs. However, FG unit needs to tighten up bigtime.

Overall, I foresee this as the right team, place, and time for CMS to beat UoR at home. Both defenses play well. CMS offense keeps the ball rolling behind a solid Oline and makes enough big plays at the right time. Defense swarms to the ball and the UoR O can't get enough going to overcome a maturing CMS team.

CMS Stags over UoR 'Dawgs. Less than 9.
Neither team scores more than 35 at the most.

[EastCoastStag]

Latest newsflash. PP has petitioned the NCAA to force the OXY team to play without the use of their hands/arms. The linemen cannot use their arms in blocking. WR's can only use one arm, same for RB's, and Collins MUST throw left handed. On defense, OXY can only run into PP players, but not tackle with their arms. Also, PP has petitioned the NCAA to let Reggie Bush play one game for PP. Apparently he needs one class left to get his degree. And, since attendence is clearly not important (the same for having real classes) at Pitzer, he will be enrolling at Pitzer and taking the class where they watch porno for homework.
IF this rule happens and Mr. Bush is able to suit up for the Sagehens, expect the Sagehens to pull the upset.

[(509)Rat]

Oxy does travel out of state . . . Oregon and Colorado in alternate years under the current contracts.  Used to be to Trinity in Texas . . . so your "out of state" comments show, at best, your failure to grasp the every other year (home/away) of game agreements.  Whether your ignorance is wilful or merely benign, I can't judge.

Sorry you're right, they do travel out of state.  My bad.

The "why doesn't Oxy play a tougher out of conference schedule" has been beaten to death on this board . . . and if such discussion is "crap" to you, then why should we enlighten you?  For a Cliff Notes version, read as follows:

That particular subject isn't "crap" but having to read through hundreds of pages of the Oxy and Redlands fans trash talking each other and how bad each other is and how good they used to be.  Or how an announcer was a jerk and everyone wanted to hit him...I don't have the time to look through that crap to get an answer it took sabertooth 2 minutes to give me.

Boxers warm up with lower ranked opponents before getting the ranked contests.  Now, as for football:
Contracts are booked for mulitple years . . . programs go up and down.  Moreover, I think that football teams can do the same as boxers, warm up with less challenging opponents while finding their legs and allowing the team to jell.  Then, after getting warmed up, step it up to the more challenging teams.  That seems to work for Oxy, at least for the past few years.  Taking on the tougher opponents at the outset can be awfully discouraging . . . for example our friends at Redlands who played three top 25 teams in the first 4 outings of the year.  I'll take Oxy's results any day.  YMMV.

I understand this line of thinking just don't agree with it.  I won't try and convince you otherwise since its useless but I will give my two cents on the subject.  In the SCIAC it doesn't matter how tough your non-conference schedule is, or if you lose all of your non-conference games like redlands did...you get an automatic bid, all you have to do is beat up on lesser competition in your conference if you are OXY.  Why not play in a tight game or two, have to come from behind, get that experience of having to have a sense of urgency in the game where you are behind that you can't get in practice.  Whitworth had a tough road trip to Stout, and made a last minute drive to win the game...now if the linfield game comes down to a last minute drive, don't you think Whitworth is going to be plenty confident they can move the ball down field and get the W?  And what are Oxy's results?  Making it to the playoffs in a weak league and then facing a legitimate opponent in linfield and crapping down their own legs.

So bitch, whine, complain and jeer at Oxy's schedule . . . it seems to work and that cannot be disputed.  Would Oxy have done any better against Linfield the past two years if their pre-season had included Trinity or UWW?  I seriously doubt it.  The key is to get to the dance, and that has been accomplished.  And I have to say that the 'Cat fans (not all, but most) have shown the Tigers more respect that you have . . . maybe they just have a little more class?  Or maybe they know a little more about the subject?  Hell, they're probably just happy they didn't have to spend four years in Spokane.

Talk about class tooth...I'd much rather spend four years in spokane than 4 years in Mcminville.

So I went to the NWC website to check out Whitworth's historical performance . . . no wonder you're ragging on Oxy . . . I can see why you have an inferiority complex given Whitworth's stellar history at the middle of the NWC pack.  Sorry, that was mean . . . but I think you earned it.

What does history have to do with anything?  Been a Pirate since 2001...I don't know or care how whitworth performed back in the 70's, 80's, or 90's.  So as far as I'm concerned Whitworth isn't a middle of the pack NWC team that is worse than Occidental.  In fact since 2001 Oxy has been to the playoffs twice, Whitworth once.  And each of those years Whitworth gave Linfield a closer game than Occidental.  So I have no idea what inferiority complex you guys are talking about...I guess I'm sorry that I'm not as old as either of you two and don't remember the glory days when you walked to school uphill both ways, barefoot in the snow.

[EastCoastStag]

And, as for good, solid blocking down the field by linemen.... a perfect example can be found on the CMS website. Watch the clip from the Chapman game. Around the 2:40 mark there is an excellent cut block by a pulling tackle. Flips the kid end over end. Not bad, but then again the tackle did transfer down from I-AA.
However, at PP blocking like that is considered unsportsmanlike.