FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[dawg gone it]

tooth...wow, someone really pulled your string you liberal you.

[scandihoovian]

Anyway nice post scandi but too many IF's.  Kinda like when oxy played Linfield,  well if we limit Elliots big plays then we can hang in there.  Oxy's D as has been noted has made a lot of picks lately, look for a lot of pressure on Clark.  Oxy by 3 TD's, closer if the starters go out in the 3rd qtr like last week.

Wow, I guess I didn't think I was saying that Oxy '05 vs Linfield '05 = CLU '06 vs Oxy '06, so I'd better clarify.  This is a good CLU team, are they as good as Oxy?  Well, we'll find out for sure on Saturday.

I think the Kingsmen need to play steady football and have the balance of big plays fall in their favor.  They have proven very capable of big plays on both sides of the ball this year, and I think that steady play combined with a few more big plays is what the Kingsmen need for a victory.  In other words (I'm clarifying, remember  ): play hard for 60 minutes, don't shoot yourself in the foot, and bust a few more big ones than the Tigers.

Brown Eagle - it's feeling like perfect fall weather up here in Thousand Oaks, I think you can safely leave the rain gear at home 

[dawg gone it]

Bob...I prefer Bruno's Pizza with pepperoni....want me to order one for ya?

Hell, Ill even buy.....and.....I will also bring the beer the democrats like...Billy Beer!

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Bob...I prefer Bruno's Pizza with pepperoni....want me to order one for ya?

Hell, Ill even buy.....and.....I will also bring the beer the democrats like...Billy Beer!

What are you saying, that you're a republican plaintiffs' counsel?  Wow, let's talk self loathing . . . 

And by the way, my brews of choice are Sierra Nevada (Pale Ale, Summerfest, Celebration and Harvest), Red Hook (Ale, Blonde, Porter and IPA), Pacifico and Longboard Lager . . . oh yes, one more that my friends always get for me . . . Arrogant Bastard in the big ass bottle.

Billy Beer my butt . . . 

[dawg gone it]

Billy Beer.....profits  from it's sale helped elect brother Jimmy!  And I hear if it's really cold....it tastes just like Longboard.

When you are a successful plaintiffs attorney....you dont want to give it all back.   Ask you buddy Krivis!

[DawgFan1]

>>the Missouri measure to permit stem cell research<<

The miserable drug-addict prick Rush Limbaugh chimed in and said that Fox was "either off his medication or acting" in the ads supporting passage of the measure.

OxyBob

Well OB, we are learning more and more about you. A bleeding-heart liberal and big Barbara Boxer/Nancy Pelosi fan are you?

Oh please, if you want to get into an intelligent discourse I hope you have something a little more substantive the the canard of the "bleeding heart liberal" and knee jerk references to Pelosi and Boxer.

Why don't you start explaining how the "limited government" "fiscally conservative" party of Lincoln got highjacked by ethically challenged greedheads who spend money like drunken sailors on leave and where that spending gets funnelled to select businesses w/o bidding.

How a "conservative" justifies legislating issues of sexuality when it's none of the government's business?

Explain when being a "conservative" meant becoming a "know nothing" who disregards fundamental science (i.e., "global warming is a fiction") . . . ah, there's that big business, big oil connection again.

The "conservative" Republicans have had control of the White House and Congress for six years and in that time have managed to create the largest deficit in history, ruin our country's reputation throughout the world, gotten us into a quaqmire of a war based on lies and deceit while failing to finish the job as to the real threat to the U.S., Al Queda and Osama . . . indeed, as our own Intelligence community concludes, we've created the crucible for expansion of global terrorism and Al Queda given what we've done in Iraq.

Can you come up with something a little better than "bleeding heart liberal" as though "liberal" is a bad word . . . or the "if you elect democrats, you support terrorists" mantra of these slimy ass politicos?

Hell, read my signature for the enlightened comments of today's so-called "conservatives."

Read your thesaurus for "liberal:"  generous, abundant, lavish, broadminded, tolerant, enlightened, charitable. 

Am I a liberal?  Damn straight, and I don't give a rip about Pelosi or Boxer.

I have great respect for true conservatives . . . but there aren't any of those in power today, just morally bankrupt, greedhead lying parasites for as far as the eye can see.  And I won't even get started on how they've highjacked, misled, coopted and corrupted certain religious communities.  How they ignore the constitution and fundamental laws of the land, how the chief executive and his cronies believe that he is not restrained by any laws whatsoever, how they show nothing but contempt and disregard for fundamental notions of freedom, privacy and due process.  Even my conservative military friends who are serving their 3rd round of deployment in Irag agree . . . our national leadership is FUBAR and it's time for a change.

wow, quite the rant . . . think you pushed my button . . .

back to football

Wow...I bet you long for the good old days of Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright and Monica Lewinsky so we can teach our younger kids the finer points of oral sex and give more top secrets to the Chinese and Koreans! As Michael Savage says, "Liberalism is a mental disorder".

[DawgFan1]

DawgFan1:

>>Well OB, we are learning more and more about you. A bleeding-heart liberal and big Barbara Boxer/Nancy Pelosi fan are you?<<

Nope, I'm an anarchist in the classic sense: I don't believe in political or moral authority. Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.


A Republican is against abortion until his daughter needs one, and a Democrat is for abortion until his daughter needs one.


OxyBob

OxyBob...I can respect these two statements.

Regards,

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Wow...I bet you long for the good old days of Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright and Monica Lewinsky so we can teach our younger kids the finer points of oral sex and give more top secrets to the Chinese and Koreans! As Michael Savage says, "Liberalism is a mental disorder".

So now I know what kind of intelligent and enlightened individual you are given your reliance on the musings of a man who said this of Muslims:  "So, kill 100 million of them . . . "  

And does Clinton's sex life really weigh more heavily in your mind than the fact that nearly 3,000 American service men and women have died in Iraq in a war entered into based on lies and deceit from our own leaders and which has put this country at much greater risk than it was before?

Ah, but little things like the Constitution, the rule of law, the environment, the deficit . .  .  merely unimportant trivialities to someone who looks to a racist, hatemonger, entertainer for political guidance.  So while I'm sure this has the same impact as talking to a wall, I will offer the following thoughts:

Liberals founded this country,
Liberals wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights
Liberals freed the slaves,
Liberals gave the voting franchise to women,
Liberals ended Jim Crow,
Liberals wrote the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, the Endangered Species Act
Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act

I guess "mental disorder" is in the eyes of the beholder.

[scandihoovian]

DawgFan1-

I enjoy your participation on this board.  You offer honest thoughts and ask good questions.

But...

I'd think again about responding to Tooth's post, which actually contains a meaningful discussion based on the true definitions of conservatism and liberalism, with a quote from the likes of Michael Savage.  There is a much more intelligent argument to be made, and one of my favorite things about the SCIAC board is that you can make it here without being asked how many cases of Hamm's you are bringing to the tailgate 

Aw shoot, I promised myself I wouldn't enter the political fray...

Hey, are there any big games this weekend

[Sabretooth Tiger]

OK, I can't wait, must post:

It has been brought to my attention by another thoughtful person in our community (to whom I will attribute this gem if and when I am given permission) that in addition to my list set forth above . .  . 

Jesus was a liberal.

thank you very much . . . . you know who you are!

And for my new friend and other conservatives who realize that this path is not the right one, here's a worthwhile read:  "U.S. Generals call for Democratic takeover."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/10/25/generals/print.html

And for the record I am one liberal who has absolutely no use for Pelosi but who has a growing interest in the philosophy and leadership of Oxy alum (not grad, he transfered to Columbia for undergrad) Barack Obama.

tooth

[scandihoovian]

scandihoovian:

>>how many cases of Hamm's you are bringing to the tailgate<<

Hamm's Beer Jingle

From the Land of Sky Blue Waters,
From the land of pines, lofty balsams,
Comes the beer refreshing,
Hamm's the beer refreshing.

OxyBob

Thanks, Bob.

After listening to that I think I just heard Tony Kubek and Joe Garagiola welcome us back to the NBC game of the week 

[Sabretooth Tiger]

scandihoovian:

>>how many cases of Hamm's you are bringing to the tailgate<<

Hamm's Beer Jingle

From the Land of Sky Blue Waters,
From the land of pines, lofty balsams,
Comes the beer refreshing,
Hamm's the beer refreshing.

OxyBob

Thanks, Bob.

After listening to that I think I just heard Tony Kubek and Joe Garagiola welcome us back to the NBC game of the week 

Makes me think of ABC's Wide World of Sports or college football afternoons in the days of Mike Garrett and OJ.

[dawg gone it]

I read somewhere when liberals go to far left, its the same as if they were on the ....right...and vice versa.........

So tooth what do you have to say about those who tend to take the middle of the road.....no, never mind.......I dont want to go there.

The real difference between liberals and conservatives is that the liberals.........................pass on first down!

[Sabretooth Tiger]

DGI:  I'm a fiscal conservative, social progressive and a pragmatist.  I support the military and know that some fights have to be fought.  Going to Afghanastan was the right thing but was not done right, the job wasn't finished.  Going to Iraq was wrong and done poorly from the outset.  But you can read words more powerful than i could ever put together . . . this is something worth reading.  It's a powerful piece by Kevin Tillman, you remember, Pat's brother and a veteran of the Iraq war . . . and it's meant for distribution and sharing, there is no copyright issue:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/


It is Pat's birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after.  It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military.  He spoke about the risks with signing the papers.  How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people.  How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition.  How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice... until we got out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can't be called a civil war even though it is.  Something like that.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them.  Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few "bad apples" in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet.  It's interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people.  So don't be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity.  Most likely, they will come to know that "somehow" was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy.  People still have a voice.  People still can take action.  It can start after Pat's birthday.

[Pat Coleman]

I appreciate the level-headed discourse here but know that it can devolve quickly. This isn't really a good place to discuss politics. Would be better to stick to football.