FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

Browneagle64 · October 30, 2006, 11:56:04 AM

Tooth,

I think the reporter for the OC wanted to associate the pomona players with a male-type animal. Who in the world wants to be considered a female-type of animal like a Hen?

Anyways, with the return of Marty at Chapman, the tiger D should get ready for a kid that likes to scramble and throws pretty good. I am sure Pup fans can can give us more heads up on this guy, since he did manage to beat them earlier in the season. As long as the D-line pressures and contains their area of responsibility this game should be blown out by the 3rd quarter. If not,, then we will have problems

To not get carried away though, Oxy needs to fix mistakes, find that perfect rythm again and build up on focus and intensity. THe more they do this during the week, the less we have to hear about saturdays game being another close game

Browneagle64 · October 30, 2006, 12:35:37 PM

I know that it's still early to say this, but after these next games lined up for Oxy, the tigers will be in full form once the 1st round comes by. Not only that, I will say that just like in 04, mighty Oxy will surprise any of their critics.

What the voters failed to realize was that eventhough Oxy was tested on saturday, a group of youngmen that are just starting at their position (i.e. 4 new O-linemen, a pair of good fresh-baby face WR's, etc) are gelling (sp???) at a faster rate then anyone else in the conference. THis sure will serve a purpose when Oxy host the 1st round of the playoffs at the Rock.

RFB · October 30, 2006, 12:38:21 PM

Quote from: OxyBob on October 30, 2006, 12:23:09 PM
Sabretooth Tiger:

>>New top 25 is out, Oxy moves up one slot to #8<<

You might want to check out the conversation on the "Top 25 Rankings" discussion board, where our fearless leader Pat Coleman commented, "I don't think too many voters believe Occidental is that good."

OxyBob

Oxy will just have to prove that they belong with a good playoff run like 2004. I just don't see them moving into the top four and hosting a playoff game. They will have to prove their mettle on the road. They have done it before, nothing new.

dawg gone it · October 30, 2006, 12:45:16 PM

Unfortunatly for Oxy...this is where playing a weak preseason hurts them. In seeing both Whitworth and Oxy...I thought Whitworth was the better team. That doesnt mean that I am not rooting for the Tigers

..............just my opinion.

I expect the dawgs to pound the Poets this week.....Dawgs by 4 td's.

Browneagle64 · October 30, 2006, 01:03:33 PM

You are right RFB---They will have to prove themselves. These last weeks should be the fuel that they need to pre-pair to represent the SCIAC.

DGI---Again, i think we could care less of the preseason, it's what the team does for the entire season that helps them through the postseason. Some old wise man once said that in order for a boxer to be good they must start from the bottom and reach slowly to the top. Thats what mentally and physically pre-pairs the fighter to be great. You never saw Rocky fight Apollo and Drago in the first film. He had to take slow steps to reach for the sky. Heck, Every boxer does take the lower opponent to reach for the best.

Pat Coleman · October 30, 2006, 01:22:26 PM

Quote from: OxyBob on October 30, 2006, 12:23:09 PM
Sabretooth Tiger:

>>New top 25 is out, Oxy moves up one slot to #8<<

You might want to check out the conversation on the "Top 25 Rankings" discussion board, where our fearless leader Pat Coleman commented, "I don't think too many voters believe Occidental is that good."

OxyBob

Yes -- and in context, that meant "good enough to move up above BOTH HSU and UMHB and possibly Capital after last week's games"

dawg gone it · October 30, 2006, 01:25:58 PM

Browneagle....what I meant was that because of the weak preseason...they might not be getting the love you would like to see them get when the playoff pairings come out.

Pat Coleman · October 30, 2006, 01:32:26 PM

Quote from: dawg gone it on October 30, 2006, 01:25:58 PM
Browneagle....what I meant was that because of the weak preseason

The NCAA doesn't consider the preseason, only the regular season. Practices and scrimmages do not count.

dawg gone it · October 30, 2006, 01:36:32 PM

So Pat...does that mean the NCAA does not look at the Quality of wins for non league games in considering the pairings? Why not?

Pat Coleman · October 30, 2006, 01:38:10 PM

No, it does. But non-league games are not preseason games. Check your dictionary -- "pre" means "before" and preseason games are ones that take place before the season -- aka practices and scrimmages.

Browneagle64 · October 30, 2006, 01:40:44 PM

Bob,

I was just being a young knucklehead. I stand corrected by my elders.HAHHAH

Sabretooth Tiger · October 30, 2006, 02:19:47 PM

I would love to hear Pat's view on the discrepancy between the top 25 rankings by D3 and the NCAA regional rankings that place Oxy behind Central, Whitworth and UW LaCrosse. Not taking issue, can't say one is more accurate than the other. Rather, just seeking to understand the different points of view.

tooth

LadyTiger · October 30, 2006, 03:48:07 PM

Quote from: dawg gone it on October 30, 2006, 12:45:16 PM
Unfortunatly for Oxy...this is where playing a weak preseason hurts them. In seeing both Whitworth and Oxy...I thought Whitworth was the better team. That doesnt mean that I am not rooting for the Tigers ..............just my opinion.

I expect the dawgs to pound the Poets this week.....Dawgs by 4 td's.

Ok, so I'm getting really sick of the ongoing bashing of Oxy's preseason match-ups. I don't think that everyone understands exactly what goes into making up a schedule. First of all, this is DIII football, Oxy doesn't have the budget to fly up North every fall just to boost their rankings. Also, contracts between teams last for years and coach Widolf is not one to ignore previous obligations to teams. There are also not a whole lot of teams to choose from on the West Coast. Any preseason games outside of Western region are not counted in the strength of schedule rankings. Most teams have contracts and full schedules already, so it can take years to rearrange preseason match-ups and by that point the team could stink.....who knows.

There is definitely something to be said for facing tough opponents in the first couple games, but if your team gets rocked and becomes mentally frustrated, it could mean your whole season (for example Redlands the last couple years).

When it comes down to it, the SCIAC as a whole can be partly to blame for Oxy's low national ranking. A weak conference does not breed a lot of respect from voters and I don't see that changing in the near future unless the rest of the league steps it up. For example....if Redlands had won their preseason match-ups then Oxy's win over the Bulldogs would have been a stronger influence in the voting. (Redlands I'm not trying to pick on you, I am just the most familier with your situation).

RFB · October 30, 2006, 04:02:55 PM

Quote from: LadyTiger on October 30, 2006, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: dawg gone it on October 30, 2006, 12:45:16 PM
Unfortunatly for Oxy...this is where playing a weak preseason hurts them. In seeing both Whitworth and Oxy...I thought Whitworth was the better team. That doesnt mean that I am not rooting for the Tigers ..............just my opinion.

I expect the dawgs to pound the Poets this week.....Dawgs by 4 td's.

Ok, so I'm getting really sick of the ongoing bashing of Oxy's preseason match-ups. I don't think that everyone understands exactly what goes into making up a schedule. First of all, this is DIII football, Oxy doesn't have the budget to fly up North every fall just to boost their rankings. Also, contracts between teams last for years and coach Widolf is not one to ignore previous obligations to teams. There are also not a whole lot of teams to choose from on the West Coast. Any preseason games outside of Western region are not counted in the strength of schedule rankings. Most teams have contracts and full schedules already, so it can take years to rearrange preseason match-ups and by that point the team could stink.....who knows.

There is definitely something to be said for facing tough opponents in the first couple games, but if your team gets rocked and becomes mentally frustrated, it could mean your whole season (for example Redlands the last couple years).

When it comes down to it, the SCIAC as a whole can be partly to blame for Oxy's low national ranking. A weak conference does not breed a lot of respect from voters and I don't see that changing in the near future unless the rest of the league steps it up. For example....if Redlands had won their preseason match-ups then Oxy's win over the Bulldogs would have been a stronger influence in the voting. (Redlands I'm not trying to pick on you, I am just the most familier with your situation).

Sorry, but I don't buy your budget argument. Oxy goes to Oregon or Colorado ever year so they have the budget. The point is that there are other teams beside Lewis & Clark and Colorado College to schedule.

dawg gone it · October 30, 2006, 04:23:08 PM

Madam Tiger....first of all, no one was bashing......secondly....it is a fact that the weak...nonleague schedule combined with a weak conference hurts Oxy in the post season tourney. It is just a fact..not bashing...there are good and bad factors associated with that kind of schedule. The quality of wins factor doesnt favor Oxy. A tough preseason may have hurt the Dawgs this year.

Dont be so sensitive. I wasnt being critical.