FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[RFB]

Lady Tiger:

>>Ok, so I'm getting really sick of the ongoing bashing of Oxy's preseason match-ups.<<

Here's what you have to understand about Redlands:

When Redlands wins it's because they are an awesome powerhouse who played the most demanding non-conference schedule possible. When Redlands doesn't win and you win it's because (1) you played a bunch of patsies, (2) they're rebuilding, and (3) they have the best recruiting class coming in. That's how it's always been with them and that's how it'll always be. Redlands thinks it owns the conference, and when they don't win it must be because of some factor other than your team is just better.

Also, remember with whom you're arguing: An ex-Redlands player who still goes around telling everybody how good he was way back when, and the dad of a freshman Redlands player who just makes stuff up as he goes along.

OxyBob

OxyBob,

I have never talked about myself in that manner. I have talked about the Redlands teams I played on and to me that is very different than what you just implied in your post. I just pointed out a fact about budget while you come back and throw out a personal attack. I guess the truth is, you're just a prick.

[redlandsfan]

Oxy Bob,

Oxy is a good program, and I respect them 100 percent, but there is no way they are the  8th best team in the country. 

I saw them play Redlands this year, and they were not one of the great Oxy teams of the past....

You should really stop sounding bitter....you have a good team, keep supporting them, but RFB is right, lay off the personal attacks. 

Oxy has had a good run over the past 4 or so years...when you have showed dominance over a decade+ we can talk about who is, and who isn't a "powerhouse."

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Oxy Bob,

Oxy is a good program, and I respect them 100 percent, but there is no way they are the  8th best team in the country. 

I saw them play Redlands this year, and they were not one of the great Oxy teams of the past....

You should really stop sounding bitter....you have a good team, keep supporting them, but RFB is right, lay off the personal attacks. 

Oxy has had a good run over the past 4 or so years...when you have showed dominance over a decade+ we can talk about who is, and who isn't a "powerhouse."

Not sure how this weighs in on the "powerhouse" debate, but I would like to point out that since becoming head coach in 1982, Dale Widolff's teams for the past quarter century enjoy a record of 14 wins to 11 losses against the Bulldogs.

tooth

[redlandsfan]

Sabre,

Great stat...but everybody around Redlands knows the real history started when Maynard came to Redlands....

[RFB]

RFB:

>>I just pointed out a fact about budget while you come back and throw out a personal attack.<<

Oh, please. When you've made cracks about me not playing football, or just being a fan watching from the stands, or playing in the band, I didn't get all offended and start crying. I just took it as the usual message board ribbing and went on. You Redlands guys are the biggest bunch of babies on Earth, full of beans when you win, and full of excuses when you lose.

Now tell us again all about the '96 Redlands-Oxy game. Or do we have to wait until 2016 for the 20th anniversary retelling?

OxyBob

True, but it has always been in response to your first salvo. You love to bait people and talk ****. Actually I would say that you love and live for it. It is evident in close to 100% of your posts. I don't initiate attacks like you do, but I will defend myself that's for sure. I will not let some one like you paint me in a light that couldn't be further from the truth.

[RFB]

Sabre,

Great stat...but everybody around Redlands knows the real history started when Maynard came to Redlands....

Actually not true, Redlands dominated in the 70's as well. But your point about Coach Maynard and his run is taken.

SCIAC Champs:

1973
1974
1975
1976
1977
1978

Also won in 1980.

[RFB]

Oxy had a great run in the 80's with many SCIAC titles and playoff appearances under Coach Widolff. Just trying to be fair and give Oxy their due props as a program.

[redlandsfan]

Im with you RFB....I just couldn't compare Dale Widolff's success over Redlands since 82....so I set my own rules to the debate!

[Sabretooth Tiger]

I've twice started to compile the entire w/l record of Oxy/Redlands and twice lost the call about half way through . . . maybe since Studio 60 isn't on tonight i can try again and make it through!

tooth

[CRZK]

Actually Lady Tiger does have a valid point (imho) concerning the overall strength of the SCIAC and that hurting Oxy (or any other conf champ). 

She also has a valid point re: the dawgs and going 0-fer prior to playing Oxy.  Come on Dawgs, not fair hurting our QOWI like that.  Be a team player and step up!! 

Again, we can whine about non-conference (thanks Pat) all we want, it appears the biggest factor is what you do after you get the playoff.  Redlands played tough their two shots but lost, Oxy had a great run beating two high quality teams and that has helped set the stage. 

Finally, look at the NWC,  last couple of years they get two pool b bids and deservedly so.  I am sure that some of that comes from anyone going with one loss being to a regular contender for national championships (Linfield) but other wise running the table deserves consideration.  If we get a SCIAC team another couple of playoff wins (like this year we hope) then maybe the conference gets a better rep and a legit look at a pool c bid for the 2nd place team.

So,  this year we need to pull for Oxy and hope they get at least one or, best of the world, two wins.  That would help set the stage for next year.

[LadyTiger]

RFB -

Budget actually does play a very large part in every Oxy team's decisions about preseason scheduling. The football team only travels every other year, and in fact exchanged their preseason game against UPS for Chapman so that they wouldn't have to spend the money to travel every season.

When they do travel, they take a limited roster and a very small training staff with them in order to diminish the cost of travel.

Sorry, not everyone has Redlands athletics budget 

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Sabretooth Tiger:

>>Dale Widolff's teams for the past quarter century enjoy a record of 14 wins to 11 losses against the Bulldogs<<

>>I've twice started to compile the entire w/l record of Oxy/Redlands and twice lost the call about half way through<<

I did not know that Oxy had a winning record against Redlands during the Widolff Era. Nice! As for the all-time record between Oxy and Redlands, the SCIAC was founded in 1915, and I don't know if Redlands and Oxy played before that. I'd venture a guess that the Bulldogs have won more than they've lost to the Tigers over the years by a substantial margin.

OxyBob

Can't quantify it yet, but I think you'd lose that bet . . . while Redlands did well in the 60s and 70s, I think Oxy holds the edge in the early years.  I'll let you know.  Whichever way it falls, I think it will be relatively close.

[dawg gone it]

Bob's bitterness resurfaced after I posted that Oxy's nonleague schedule hurts them when the NCAA does its pairings because of the quality of wins rating Oxy has because of it.  I wasnt knocking Oxy just pointing out a fact. 

I said it before...Ill say it again...anytime you make a post that in any possible way can be construed negative toward Oxy...you get blasted by Bob and the Oxy army on this board. Except for tooth the constant mediator

Then the name calling and personal attacks come flying.  Bob needs a board all to himself where only his opinin counts.  I am trying to support Oxy in it's playoff run but man, you make it really hard not to hate the black and orange.  I just wonder how loud and present you were when Oxy was at the bottom of the list and how you will handle it when they are not at the top.

Your attack at RFB was really off the chart...he did not deserve it...you force people to defend themselves with your comments.

Bob you are a historically knowledgable and loyal fan....good for you.....you are still obnoxious.  You take away  the fun this board is supposed to be.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

The lifetime record between Oxy and Redlands is . . .

[drumroll please]

. . . .

48 wins for Oxy
45 wins for Redlands
2   ties

Here are some interesting facts:

Oxy first played football in 1895, went undefeated and never permitted a single point to be scored against them, beating Whittier, USC, Santa Ana, Cal Tech and Pomona, blanking them all.

Oxy's lifetime record against USC is 6 wins to 14 losses.  Oxy's lifetime record against USC Law is 3 wins to no losses!

Oxy played Redlands for the first time in 1910, beating Redlands 19-0, also beating USC that year.

Oxy's biggest margin of victory over Redlands was 103-0 in 1914.

Oxy's first loss to Redlands came in 1918 by a score of 7-3.  Oxy beat USC that year 7-6.

Oxy and Redlands did not play in 1929.

Their first tie was in 1935.

Oxy did not play football in 1943 or 1944.

Oxy played Redlands twice in 1945, losing both games.

Take from this what you will . . . I've learned that the Oxy v. Redlands rivalry is much older than I'd imagined with much more history between the institutions than I had appreciated before embarking on this little research project.  Moreover, it is clear that the tide has been high and low for both programs as between each other, and that neither program has entirely dominated the other.

Accordingly, I must show more grudging respect for the 'Dawgs (though I'm still bitter about our 22-21 loss my senior year at Patterson field) . . .  8)

tooth

[dawg gone it]

Tooth...nice post...thanks for the info......