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[desertcat1]

Ok  boys it time to show your support for D3 Football.

Vote for Brett Elliott  FROM D3  for the Heisman...

Http://www.voteforheisman.com/vote3.php


you can vote once per week for each e-mail address..

GO D3...

[Browneagle64]

Desertcat---I gave him my vote. But to be honest, i think he wont get as much support as the other guys on the list. Eventually, Reggie Bush or V. Young from texas will be one and two. Comparing those two with Elliot is like comparing Apples and pumpinks.


Looks like the tigers are getting ready to dominate Pitzer and stay with the "drum". I am sure Oxy's Wide reciever coprs. will do fine against pizters's weak back field. I think Pitzer only has one backfield player on defense that is pretty solid. The Defense however will need to dictate what the offense will do in this game.  Once the defense gets things going, that will motivate the offese to score on pitzer fast and accurately. The last time oxy visted pomona the drum was lost on the field. So oxy needs to take that in to account and stop the team with the cockiest alumni.

btw-heres my prediction for the score

Oxy-48 --P-P 17. The second team guys should be on the field by the beginning of the 4th quater   

[xfactor82]

Actually, it's very easy to justify. Occidental hasn't played anyone that's gotten a vote. Those other teams play tougher schedules.

So?  We've got a terrific comparison between teams dating back to last year's playoffs.  Occidental played Linfield to 56-27, even holding a lead in the 2nd quarter.  Rowan got drilled 52-0.  Should I be impressed that they beat a non-scholarship D-IAA school?  St. John's was EXTREMELY lucky to get past Concordia Moorhead on a last second touchdown this season.  In the playoffs last year, Occidental beat CM and didn't need any last second theatrics to do it.

The SCIAC, for whatever reason, doesn't have the respect it should.  Oxy beat two strong teams this season in Redlands and Cal Lutheran.  This brings me back to 2001 when Oxy went 8-1, with an opening season loss to Menlo (finished 8-2, I believe -- with a win over a SCHOLARSHIP D-IAA team), and still didn't make the playoffs.

The AFCA coaches poll holds a lot more weight than this D3Football.com poll.  With 16 wins in their past 17 games, Oxy is better than D3Football.com gives it credit for.  It certainly didn't deserve to fall after a win and a bye week, and deserved to move up after two teams ahead of them lost.

[desertcat1]

Desertcat---I gave him my vote. But to be honest, i think he wont get as much support as the other guys on the list. Eventually, Reggie Bush or V. Young from texas will be one and two. Comparing those two with Elliot is like comparing Apples and pumpinks.



Browneagle64,,    As of 2:04 Est today  Brett Elliott just moved in front of Uof O  Qb Kellen Clemmens to # 11 in the voting,  thanks to all the support of D3..  Go D 3  we can make it happen..

[rockcat]

xfactor,

I think Pat's point is that the other teams have proven themselves THIS YEAR.  And the score comparison, Linfield vs. Oxy and Linfield vs. Rowan, to help your cause is pretty much meaningless.  Both where whoopins.  Besides, comparing matchups like this doesn't necessarily mean anything.  You can go to the OAC and ask fans of Mount Union, Ohio Northern and John Carroll.

[LigerLover]

Hey DesertCat...I voted for elliot btw, just cause I think it would be funny if he did actually win but you can't seriously look me in the eye and say he compares to some of those other QB's up for the heisman....anywho I am sure Pomona will throw all the tricks in their bag out on saturday vs. OXY...I expect them to grow out that mangy field of theirs to try and slow OXY down...I expect them to pull all 5 offensive linemen and do all their weird blocking schemes.....but the bottom line is that while these things may slow OXY down, it definitly won't stop them...I expect OXY to sustain nice long drives to eat up that clock all game and keep the ball out of pomona's hands....
FRESHMAN...learn your plays...you might get some PT this week !

[xfactor82]

xfactor,

I think Pat's point is that the other teams have proven themselves THIS YEAR.  And the score comparison, Linfield vs. Oxy and Linfield vs. Rowan, to help your cause is pretty much meaningless.  Both where whoopins.  Besides, comparing matchups like this doesn't necessarily mean anything.  You can go to the OAC and ask fans of Mount Union, Ohio Northern and John Carroll.

How is it meaningless?  Last season's records clearly were used as the basis of this year's first week poll.  All of the teams ranked in the top 10 were there because of strong performances last year and their historical reputation.  Why do you think USC is ahead of Texas in the AP/ESPN/USAToday polls?  Texas has some impressive wins, whereas USC struggled to get past some mediocre teams... but the pollsters keep USC at #1 because of their 30+ game winning streak and two consecutive national titles.

[rockcat]

First off, polls mean far less outside of Division IA because there is a playoff system.  Second, rankings are used to determine who good a team is right now, not a year ago.  Third, comparing common matchups doesn't mean a thing.  For example...

John Carroll beats Ohio Northern 50-25
Mount Union beats John Carroll 70-0
By this rational Mount should have destroyed Ohio Northern.  Instead...
Ohio Northern beats Mount 21-14

Head to head matchups don't mean much because of how different teams match up, injuries, travel, focus, etc.

[xfactor82]

First off, polls mean far less outside of Division IA because there is a playoff system.  Second, rankings are used to determine who good a team is right now, not a year ago.  Third, comparing common matchups doesn't mean a thing.  For example...

John Carroll beats Ohio Northern 50-25
Mount Union beats John Carroll 70-0
By this rational Mount should have destroyed Ohio Northern.  Instead...
Ohio Northern beats Mount 21-14

Head to head matchups don't mean much because of how different teams match up, injuries, travel, focus, etc.

That's reason enough to rank Mount Union below Occidental.

[rockcat]

Even though they have a loss Mount's strength of schedule is #8 which is still higher than Oxy's. 

Since you used a Division 1 comparison earlier let me use one.  Let's say that a WAC team is undefeated while a Big 12 or Pac 10 team has one loss.  Most thinking people would give the nod to the Big 12 or Pac 10 team because their competition is much higher.

Again though, rankings really are nothing to get worked up about since all teams will have a chance to prove themselves.  And, if you asked all the playoff teams who they would rather play, Oxy or Mount I'm sure everyone would say Oxy.

[scandihoovian]

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[Wildcat'64]

Thanks to all of you who voted today for Elliot for the Heisman.  D3 football really made a statement today coast to coast with Elliot receiving over 800 votes and moving into 7th place out of 41 nominees.
His success as a nominee will get positive publicity for all of D3 football.
If you have not yet voted, please do so at www.voteforheisman.com.

Your vote will make a difference for all of D3 football schools.

[desertcat1]

Hey DesertCat...I voted for elliot btw, just cause I think it would be funny if he did actually win but you can't seriously look me in the eye and say he compares to some of those other QB's up for the heisman....anywho I am sure Pomona will throw all the tricks in their bag out on saturday vs. OXY...I expect them to grow out that mangy field of theirs to try and slow OXY down...I expect them to pull all 5 offensive linemen and do all their weird blocking schemes.....but the bottom line is that while these things may slow OXY down, it definitly won't stop them...I expect OXY to sustain nice long drives to eat up that clock all game and keep the ball out of pomona's hands....
FRESHMAN...learn your plays...you might get some PT this week !

  Ligerlover: 

Yes, I can look you in the eye and say he is that good.. Just wait  until the draft ?   

Did you forget he set an NCAA  All division record for TD's last year  and beat out the #1 pick in the draft last year until he broke his wrist  at D1.  Plus pretty good numbers this year Too.
Pass efficiency rating ( 193.3)   #1 in the country D3  I know it's only D3..  slower db's.. and all..In six games 133/192 , for 1908 yds, 4 int, 26 TD's..   sounds pretty good to me gets my vote ..   

[Pat Coleman]

The AFCA coaches poll holds a lot more weight than this D3Football.com poll. 

Oh yeah, right. Just ask Mount Union, since they're behind Delaware Valley in the vaunted AFCA standings ... err, rankings.

Since you are fixated on last year's scores as a measurement for this year, try this one:

Linfield 28, Mary Hardin-Baylor 21; Mary Hardin-Baylor 38, Mount Union 35
Linfield 52, Rowan 0; Rowan 56, Delaware Valley 7

[LigerLover]

Im just saying......put reggie bush in a d3 uniform and I think it would be pretty scary.....I don't doubt that Elliot is a great QB, but A Heisman hopefull?.....come on now.