FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Ralph Turner]

LaVerne can attract more Jucos than Cal Lu because of their entrance requirements.  I think that it would be hard to count on D1 transfers.  It happens (Oxy QB), but those guys usually end up in scholarship situations (1AA or D2).   It's hard to go from a full ride to financial aid and loans to pay for 30k plus.

I have wondered about the profile of the SCIAC student-athlete.  I would think that there are a significant number of outstanding student-athletes among the 15 Million southern Californians who would want to continue their academics at SCIAC schools and play any sport in the D3 model, rather than a D1 or D2 model somewhere else in the country.  This model seems to be working in the eastern half of the country, including the UAA schools, some SCAC schools like Trinity and Depauw, the Centennial schools and some of the strong academic schools in the OAC, CCIW and other strong academic conferences.

Thanks.

[snoop dawg]

The small school model just isnt as popular in California.  I dont know why or have any factual reasons.  One possible reason is that the sporting programs just dont get much local attention in the local newspapers.  It just seems every kid dreams of playing D1. The Pac 10 with all its attention and glory seems to be where most athletes want to go. The ones that dont make it to a Pac 10 school or some other large school and still want to play should consider the SCIAC. 

I think the AD's and SID'S of the smaller programs need to promote the small school philosphy and athletics more in the media, via internet, etc.  I mean, ADVERTISE.  I have seen pamphlets that the NW  schools send out and they must grab some attention.  Many high schools if not all have college nights, get a rep out there to meet and greet and promote. 

When you get to know the SCIAC schools and understand their philosophy, they really are a great place to go to college and play sports.  Just my opinion.

[Westcoast]

The biggest difference from east to west is the financial aid packages.  I believe that many programs in the east have better relationships with their financial aid offices.  Endowments are typically larger and grants often go far beyond need.  Mt. Union for example-  Obviously a great program, but when you have guys turning down 1AA full scholarship offers to go there that tells me that they are putting packages on the table the are equal to full scholarships. 

[RFB]

LaVerne can attract more Jucos than Cal Lu because of their entrance requirements.  I think that it would be hard to count on D1 transfers.  It happens (Oxy QB), but those guys usually end up in scholarship situations (1AA or D2).   It's hard to go from a full ride to financial aid and loans to pay for 30k plus.

I have wondered about the profile of the SCIAC student-athlete.  I would think that there are a significant number of outstanding student-athletes among the 15 Million southern Californians who would want to continue their academics at SCIAC schools and play any sport in the D3 model, rather than a D1 or D2 model somewhere else in the country.  This model seems to be working in the eastern half of the country, including the UAA schools, some SCAC schools like Trinity and Depauw, the Centennial schools and some of the strong academic schools in the OAC, CCIW and other strong academic conferences.

Thanks.

California has 50+ Junior Colleges that field football programs. Why would a kid go to a SCIAC school when he can pay 13 dollars a unit and still hope to get a DI scholarship. Way too many options for kids here in California when it comes to football. The rest of the country does not have this problem. We have beaten this topic to death here in the past.

[Gray Fox]

Ralph,
RFB is correct.  We have discussed this several times on the SCIAC boards.

I think these last three comments have contributed as well as any we have seen here in the past.

There is just not the knowledge about d3 ball here, and many look down on it.  A prime example is our former member of this board, dawgs go deep/dawg gone it, who never could get over the fact that it is an honor to be able to attend these schools and play football as well.

[Westcoast]

We do have a ton of Jucos for student-athletes to chose from, but high end academic kids tend to stay away from them.  It's a great choice financially and the opportunity to get recruited again is great.  I've notice that many parents with kids that have great grades would rather them attend a 4 year school sooner rather than later. 

[cawcdad]

Teaching at a CA high school and having coached at that level, it has been my experience that most athletes that go the JC route are there because their academics are such that they can not get into a four year school right out of high school. Sure they are hoping for a D-I scholorship, but in reality they are getting their grades and eligibility for acceptance up to get to a 4 year school. As westcoast said, if the academics are there, most kids head straight to the 4 year school. It is a matter of letting kids know that these smaller D-III schools exist and that kids can extend their playing careers. It is up to the schools to advertise their advantages, alumni to let their schools /coaches know of potential athletes and H.S. coaches to encourage this route.

[snoop dawg]

Since no one else will take the plunge and make the first predictions for this years SCIAC football season, I will make mine.

1.  UR
2. OXY
3. CLU
4. CMS
5. ULV
6. PP
7. WHIT

I think CLU  will suffer from not having a head coach, an obvious observation, Oxy will sorely miss, Mr. Collins, UR has some serious reconstruction to do on offense and of the rest I think the only other team to challenge might be CMS.

Of course , "on any given day......"  UR  especially should heed these words in light of what happened last year at the hands of the mighty Poets.

The season cant start soon enough.

[scandihoovian]

Snoop Dawg-

Glad to see you're fired up!

I posted this on the basketball board, and I thought I'd post it here as well, just in case it's of interest to anybody.

I thought this might be of interest since the U.S. News rankings sometimes make their way on to this board.  (You know, like when a CLU alum pokes fun at a Pomona Alum for their inferior educational background    )

From this week's issue of Time magazine: The Rankings Revolt

[Gray Fox]

Snoop Dawg-

Glad to see you're fired up!

I posted this on the basketball board, and I thought I'd post it here as well, just in case it's of interest to anybody.

I thought this might be of interest since the U.S. News rankings sometimes make their way on to this board.  (You know, like when a CLU alum pokes fun at a Pomona Alum for their inferior educational background  Wink )

From this week's issue of Time magazine: The Rankings Revolt

I linked to the Cricket article.  Should I have put it on the baseball board  or the New Sports board?

  http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1603611,00.html

[snoop dawg]

Scandi

Yes I am and, just cant wait for the season to start.  Obviously UR is my favorite team so the first place vote but, I really think this year (minus Mr. Collins) will be extremely competitive in the SCIAC.  I believe that there are 4 teams that could win it.   The games between the top 4 of my picks should be extremely exciting, competitive and fun to watch.  

If I am right about the in league competitivness, it should bolster student, parent, fan and alum interest to make this a great year in the SCIAC to be a fan.  The CLU-UR game at the who should be a fans delite.

[Browneagle64]

S.D.

Those are some very interesting future predictions and are great to hear. However, just to add some water to your fired up excitement, you do understand that Oxy returns a big platoon in their O-line?
Not only that, whoever maybe the Q.B for the tigers this upcoming season will enjoy knowing that they are being protected by 5 men that Helped Mr. Collins and Co. have another successful campaign.
Cleary, this is something that U.O.R's 5 returning o-line couldn't do not do nor figured how to do.
Sorry to burst your bubble snoop, but U.O.R has ways to go on offense to be at the top. In addition, like i mentioned before, not to sure if a former T.E., Special teams and Defensive stud actually has what it takes to get the Dawgs offense back on track. Good luck by the way.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

I hear that Justin Elway wants to come back now that Andy's graduated.



OB,

I also hear that Oxy is going to raise parking rates from $0 to $20.00 per hour and that for $100 per, people can purchase a seat on the 10 yard line and get all of the popcorn, pizza and soda that they can consume.

Never should have let McCourt interview for the AD position.

tooth

[Gray Fox]

I hear that Justin Elway wants to come back now that Andy's graduated.



OB,

I also hear that Oxy is going to raise parking rates from $0 to $20.00 per hour and that for $100 per, people can purchase a seat on the 10 yard line and get all of the popcorn, pizza and soda that they can consume.

Never should have let McCourt interview for the AD position.

tooth

Tooth,
Are you trying to live up to the Groucho quote you have at the botttom of your posts?

[pineconefan]

Not to beat too hard on a dead horse, but I don't check these boards as often during the off season....

I would think that having so many JCs in the area could help the SCIAC football programs, more than hurt.  Sure, you have to compete with the JCs for players out of high school.  But do you forget about those same players after they go JC?

You can get a student-athlete with college-level playing experience.  You also get one that now only has to pay for two to three years of private tuition, rather than four to five.

As a Whitworth fan, I was able to see the great role two California JC transfers played last season.  We had a starting WR (Silva from Canyons) and starting CB (Ghillardi from Moorpark) step right in and get picked for all-conference.  And as far as I've heard, each is fitting in just fine institutionally.

Certainly there is a large percentage of JC players that would never fit at NWC/SCIAC schools.  But with such a large JC population down there, I think there'd be a healthy percentage who would do quite well, if they knew how much they were wanted.