FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[EastCoastStag]

Line 2: Not sure, but doubtful - they are downright mediocre to bad in most sports, which makes the incessant 'move 'em to d2' talk so funny.  Since schools can't pick and choose levels by sport (except for a few 'grandfathered' programs in hockey, lacrosse, etc.), they'd be totally up a creek in everything but football.

Grandfathered sports aside, because those are D1 / D3 situations. The idea of moving Mount to D2 might have some substance to it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't D2 have scholarships? If so, then perhaps moving Mount to D2 might benefit ALL sports, not just football. IE scholarships to go around to all sports increasing ability to attract athletes?
Just a thought.
I still say keep 'em D3.
Not sure where I stand on the need for D3 and a D4. At some point, I am sure there will be a split. No idea how that would work.

[OzJohnnie]

The D3 off season: The Argument Clinic.

[Pat Coleman]

Re: an earlier post: the (men's) basketball final four has long been in Salem and I know of no plans to relocate.  (I'd add that you'd know that if your team ever made it there, but that would be too cruel!

See, you were trying to be funny by including something you were pretending to abstain from saying... cute.
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My passion for basketball went as far as the Pomona and Oxy games.

Like you, I also much prefer SCIAC games. Much more entertaining than nonconference games against CCIW stiffs.

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/stats/1229iwu.htm

OxyBob

Yawn. How many SCIAC teams in the Final Four ... ever?

[Mr. Ypsi]

The D3 off season: The Argument Clinic.

True, that is!  But this seems to be almost the only live board.  CCIW Chat (the bball board) is generally highly entertaining in the off-season, but even it has gone virtually dormant.

'Beating a dead horse' sometimes still beats dead air (as my computer has crashed several times this evening).  Can you tell I'm bored?

[footballfan413]

The off-season drags on and KICKOFF won't be released for another 2 weeks... 

Agreed, just because it is a dead horse subject with no agreement in sight, at least it is football related and beats talk of fishing, beer, lousy jokes, etc, IMHO.  No offense MIAC posters!    The WIAC board has been dead for days!  +karma to all who participated the last few days.

[wildcat11]

One of the great things about DIII athletics is that the players are still students first.  If you have a few minutes then you should check out the Linfield player blog by the 'Cats starting linebacker Alex Tkachuk who spent this past spring involved in the Semester at Sea program. 

It's a good read: http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/

[EastCoastStag]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=weinreb/080811

Very interesting article.
Only had time to scan it.

[Pat Coleman]

I believe if you read the story, the A-11 lines up within the rules of a scrimmage kick formation, invoking the very exception in the rule you cite.

[Pat Coleman]

Of course, this also means that the field is spread precariously thin, and you'd think this would allow several extremely angry linemen and linebackers to respond to such cuteness by blowing through and decapitating one or both quarterbacks. But when Piedmont implemented the A-11 last season, that didn't happen.

[Klopenhiemer]

 

[stealth]

Pat,
I get to let the cloak of stealthness down a bit here. Didn't get to read the article but I know Kurt very well, bright guy and just loads of fun to talk FB with.  Have seen the A-11 offense in action and it is very exciting. At first glance you wonder what the heck am I looking at but after a few plays you get it.  It is fast, furious and from what I saw no lineman is fast enough to keep up with all the movement, formations, options, etc. Kurt and his AD did petition all the powers that needed to be and got the approval for running it. Last I talked to him he has quite a few colleges at varing levels interested in the package in one degree or another.  Not a very good start to it last year but I think that they finished pretty strong as the team got more experienced using it. This will be the second year that Piedmont runs it so it will be a bit more refined and he has some talent that will support it. Could some smaller enrollment D3 schools use it ?  Sure if it got it approved by the governing bodies. I'd think anybody could use it but would take years to shift mentality from trench work to speed work. You could have all 195 lb. 4.5 40 speedsters on the feild. Like a chaotic track meet. And you have to a couple of QB's that can think quickly and have syncronized thoughts.
ECS roll over to the East Bay some friday night and enjoy the show. I may see you there and we can talk trash to each other in person if I am not on an assigment. 

I believe if you read the story, the A-11 lines up within the rules of a scrimmage kick formation, invoking the very exception in the rule you cite.

[TXMike]

The A-11 is a deliberate attempt to circumvent the intent of the rules.  It  is one thing to say something does not violate the rule as it is technically written and neither does it violate the intent of the rule.  This offense violates the intent of the player numbering rule.  It is only because the NFHS has not had to deal with many schools using it yet.  If the coach's telemarketer ways are successful enough that he gets enough schools to use it, then the NFHS will be forced to act and will shut it down as it is already shut down under NCAA and NFL rules.  Since when do we reward folks for violating the spirit of the law even if they do not violate the letter of the law?

[stealth]

They got it approved by the powers that needed to approve it. So no shame to Piedmont. Hell I bet you intend to drive the speed limit but find yourself from time to time pushing the envelope a bit now don't you 

The A-11 is a deliberate attempt to circumvent the intent of the rules.  It  is one thing to say something does not violate the rule as it is technically written and neither does it violate the intent of the rule.  This offense violates the intent of the player numbering rule.  It is only because the NFHS has not had to deal with many schools using it yet.  If the coach's telemarketer ways are successful enough that he gets enough schools to use it, then the NFHS will be forced to act and will shut it down as it is already shut down under NCAA and NFL rules.  Since when do we reward folks for violating the spirit of the law even if they do not violate the letter of the law?

[OzJohnnie]

Of course, Stealth, you miss the point of his argument completely.  There is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.  TXMike is arguing, persuasively, that the A-11 while adhering to the law's letter, is an obvious violation of football's spirit.

It can be reasonably argued that if everyone adopted the A-11 we would no longer be watching football.  There may be a game played that conforms the the rules, but I'm of the opinion that it would be a gimmick and not 'football'.  I'm also of the opinion that most folks would agree with me.

Now before you get all hot about people not wanting innovation, just settle down.  Innovation is great.  If you put wheels on my boat, however, it's no longer a boat even if it still floats.  It's now an ATV.  Likewise if you seal all the gaps in my truck so it doesn't sink; the truck is not a boat now, it's a piece of garbage instead.  And that is the point.

Strike all that analogy.  Instead look for any discussion of Arena Football on these boards.  Sure, it has football in the title and we're all happy for the people that we know that get the chance to play, but it's not really 'football' in spirit.

[stealth]

No I get his point. My point is so what ? They ran it by all that needed to approve it first . It's not like they came out one Friday night and said look what we got and eveyone else said what the *&^%.  Football is always about innovation. Hell using your "gimmick"logic then we wouldn't have seen the wish bone, spread, statue of liberty, tuck in the back of the jersey,  2 point plays, on side kick, fake punts,  Arena, CFL, football in Europe, etc. Things change. I'm not debating the issue of intent as the intentions are fine with me. NFL is the no fun league so we already have one of those places. Ease up a bit it's just high school and it's fun to watch.  If they get shut down so be it.  I'm more worried about who in other countries stole the word football from us to describe a game that uses a round ball and was it intentional ?   

Of course, Stealth, you miss the point of his argument completely.  There is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.  TXMike is arguing, persuasively, that the A-11 while adhering to the law's letter, is an obvious violation of football's spirit.

It can be reasonably argued that if everyone adopted the A-11 we would no longer be watching football.  There may be a game played that conforms the the rules, but I'm of the opinion that it would be a gimmick and not 'football'.  I'm also of the opinion that most folks would agree with me.

Now before you get all hot about people not wanting innovation, just settle down.  Innovation is great.  If you put wheels on my boat, however, it's no longer a boat even if it still floats.  It's now an ATV.  Likewise if you seal all the gaps in my truck so it doesn't sink; the truck is not a boat now, it's a piece of garbage instead.  And that is the point.