FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[TXMike]

I believe if you read the story, the A-11 lines up within the rules of a scrimmage kick formation, invoking the very exception in the rule you cite.

The critical difference in the NCAA and the HS rule is the definition of a scrimmage kick formation.  In NCAA rules, in addition to how the players are lined up, it has to be "obvious that kick may be attempted".  The HS rules do not include that phrase.  Therefore, if a team lines up in what looks like a SKF but it is 1st, 2d or 3d down, under NCAA rules we are are not calling it a SKF and therefore they cannot use the numbering exception.  Since HS rule does not have that phrase, they can be deemed to be in a SKF on any down.   

To illustrate how stupid the HS rule is, assume it is 1st and Goal at the defense's 5 yard line. The offense lines up in this A-11.  Does anyone seriously think this should be deemed to be a "scrimmage kick formation" ?? 

In the early days of football, players did not wear numbers.  Over the years the rulemakers deemed numbers were important and certain players had to wear certain numbers in order to help identify who would be eligible and would not be.   This offense is actually taking the game backward, not forward. 

[Klopenhiemer]

I have one simple question.  How does the A-11 system prepare kids for the next level?  Isnt that the goal of every school to pass kids onto the highest levels possible. 

Couldn't one argue that this actually puts the kids at a disadvantage.  Let me use a quick business example.  This is for all you accounting people out there or people who are framilar with the principals of accounting. 

If a kid went to a school that said GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principals) was garbage and taught their own version of accounting how does this help a kid get a job as a CPA or CMA?  Even if the system is innovative and next generationish, does this actually hinder the kid and make him less marketable.  What firm would want to invest the money to retrain the kid on the generally accepted principals when he has his pick of thousands of other kids who are already willing and able to go to work. 

[cawcdad]

I have one simple question.  How does the A-11 system prepare kids for the next level?  Isnt that the goal of every school to pass kids onto the highest levels possible. . . .

HS football is not to prepare kids to pass on to the next level. Is D-III football to prepare kids for the next level? Sure a few go on, but they have the basic tools no matter what scheme the coach uses, but most do not. HS sports are a life learning experience, about hard work and team work. From what I have read Piedmont did not have the kids that would be going on to the next level, so the coach developed something to level the field. For the vast majority of kids, that senior night game will be the last time they don pads and play in an organized football game. They will walk off with memories and friendships and lessons to use in the future. Those of us who have coached any sport are always looking for an edge, a gimmick within the rules to help us when we do not have the horses.  Do I care for th A-11 offense? Not from what I've seen on video. Will the offense eventually be outlawed? Maybe. But until it is, sit back, relax, enjoy the show.

[stealth]

Perfectly articulate position. Not sure that there is a right or wrong answer to the validity of the A-11 for kids who have aspirations to go on to a college. Guess for now it's wait and see what shakes out this year. But I would say that if your 6ft 200 lbs and have 4.6 40 speed your going to get a look from someone if your serious about the next level. People were saying that Dennis Dixon (oregon) couldn't play the traditional QB position. Although the jury is still out on his pro game he made a hell of an impact in the college game because of pure athletic ability. How many De La Salle kids, as an example, went on to the next level and beyond ? Not sure of the exact count and amount but they play a tradional style of football that has won them a bunch of records, etc.
I hate the accountant reference.  My last GAAP annointed accountant got me an IRS audit 

I have one simple question.  How does the A-11 system prepare kids for the next level?  Isnt that the goal of every school to pass kids onto the highest levels possible. 

Couldn't one argue that this actually puts the kids at a disadvantage.  Let me use a quick business example.  This is for all you accounting people out there or people who are framilar with the principals of accounting. 

If a kid went to a school that said GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principals) was garbage and taught their own version of accounting how does this help a kid get a job as a CPA or CMA?  Even if the system is innovative and next generationish, does this actually hinder the kid and make him less marketable.  What firm would want to invest the money to retrain the kid on the generally accepted principals when he has his pick of thousands of other kids who are already willing and able to go to work. 

[RFB]

Wow, some interesting talk going on here. ECS is laying it down a little bit. By the way my buddy was telling about some new offense called the Veer and another called the Wishbone. Anybody familiar with these new, innovative offenses?

[D O.C.]

Are they the ones where someone runs behind the defense and the ball is tossed to them?

[Mr. Ypsi]

A-11 football meets up with Grinell basketball - and the world implodes!

[janesvilleflash]

wishbone......viagra?

[EastCoastStag]

And all I did was post a simple link... wasn't intending to generate that much discussion. But it certainly did, and good discussion at that.

[Fear the Poet]

Wow, some interesting talk going on here. ECS is laying it down a little bit. By the way my buddy was telling about some new offense called the Veer and another called the Wishbone. Anybody familiar with these new, innovative offenses?

Dear RFB:

I love the veer offense. Me and my new pals in Leavenworth use it all the time when we play in the genpop yard.

Sincerely,

Michael Vick

"Coach Red Dawson, looking like the veer"

[Gray Fox]

And all I did was post a simple link... wasn't intending to generate that much discussion. But it certainly did, and good discussion at that.

Interesting because snoop dawg had posted a similar reference on the MIAC board a week or two before you posted, and no discussion was generated at all.

[OzJohnnie]

And all I did was post a simple link... wasn't intending to generate that much discussion. But it certainly did, and good discussion at that.

Interesting because snoop dawg had posted a similar reference on the MIAC board a week or two before you posted, and no discussion was generated at all.

It first hit Iowa about a week before that.

[snoop dawg]

Aloha........Yes, I did.  I saw it on Rivals and thought it could catch on with some smaller d3 programs.  I thought I posted it on this board also.

[TXMike]

Not a chance it will catch on with D-III programs as it is illegal under NCAA playing rules.

[EastCoastStag]

Camp... starting.. soon!

Thankfully. Need some enthusiasm and banter going on here. Looking forward to the updates.