FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[firstdown]

Dead Poet - with the budget crisis in California severely impacting the junior college system and many JC's dropping their all or part of their athletic programs, why are you surprised that JC football players would be seeking out new teams?  You somehow assume that something sinister is going on.  At Mount Union, they have about 200 players on their football team.  Freshmen and sophomores aren't going to see much playing time, but they are learning the systems and working hard on strength and conditioning. The OAC also has a strong junior varsity program that you don't see in the SCIAC. Mount Union then has the advantage of being able to reload each year with juniors and predominately seniors that know the system and have the JV playing experience with unparallelled success year after year.  Having a group of experienced players really helps set a standard for the younger players to follow.  For a school such as Whittier that is trying to build a program, strengthening its group of experienced players makes a lot of sense, and will help their younger players to learn the ropes on the practice field, and not by being thrown out on the field against Redlands and OXY and the like which will have mainly junior and senior starters.

[Gray Fox]

Whittier had a player from LA Valley on the spring roster. That makes two that I count.

As I said before and later posters have explained much better, this may be required for financial reasons, and as firstdown explains,  for competitive reasons.  JC players transfer  to all levels.  Don't prejudge them all because of a few.

[Dead Poet Society]

First Down

While you are correct..and nobody likes kids not ready to play top D3 teams thrown to the 'dogs, and tigers...This coach has had 4 years of head coach recruiting plus a year or so as a assistant coach at Whittier. To me that is plenty of time to get closer to the goal. Last year was a setback and as OxyBob pointed out I called for a transfer QB last year because the cupboard was bare..Even after 3 plus years of recruiting.

This may turn out to be Whittier's break out year. I have not seen the team practice so I cannot say for sure. If they are successful with a high number of JC transfers and they put a whopping on Redlands, Oxy and the like, then we will see if other colleges and universities respond in kind? Should be an interesting season.

BTW  Not saying anything is sinister.Stating/asking why so many JUCO tansfers, their potential impact on the team and SCIAC.....Thanks for the input.

[Dead Poet Society]

Gray Fox

#'s 1,42,92 on spring roster. More to come this fall

#9 graduated this spring...As I watched some games from the stands he seemed a good guy, player and teamate

[wildcat11]

Don't prejudge them all because of a few.

Well, RFB has been giving the SCIAC a bad name for years so it's hard not to judge. 

[Fear the Poet]

Fear The Poet

You are correct. The President and AD get great credit for the huge change, not only in the fantastic facilities upgrade but in the atmosphere of the entire college.  The change in the 6 or so years I have visited the campus watching games is truly amazing.

I wish your family the best. It was enjoyable watching #63 play the game IMO how it is supposed to be played. Hard, clean and treating the game, officals, opponents and teammates with respect.

wow..thank you..that is quite a compliment for LR. we appreciate it.

[Gray Fox]

I guess they come from everywhere and go anywhere.   This is from the ASC board.

Welsey has a 6-4 WR  player (Ellis Krout)from  Dallas, Texas (Roosevelt) who played JR college out west. I understand he has been impressive in camp.  Have any of you heard of him?

[D O.C.]

He's definitely going to miss playing and it was a hard decision but something he felt very strongly about.

I'll ask. How is his injury coming along?

Mount Union then has the advantage of being able to reload each year with juniors and predominately seniors that know the system and have the JV playing experience with unparalleled success year after year.

No kidding. I was taken back a couple years ago when I heard about a 10 game JV schedule.

[Fear the Poet]

He's definitely going to miss playing and it was a hard decision but something he felt very strongly about.

I'll ask. How is his injury coming along?

thanks for asking. He is a typical former football player with aches and pains. His leg bothers him on occasion..but thankfully the neck seems better.

Of course getting info out of LR is shotty at best, so I dont know for sure. lol

He does seem content..so that is what matters. He started Freshman camp at Troy this week and is ready to knock those little freshman into shape.

[Purple Heys]

All the IIAC teams have JV teams as well, with the exception of my beloved Rams...it is a disadvantage of a large order of magnitude.

Consider also this, MUC, with 200 football playing enrollees,  breaks down to at least 50 or so kids that get little to no game time per year  (My W.A.G.)

For this priviledge they pay roughly 30000 in tuition (Financial Aid notwithstanding) = $1.5M in tuition revenue per year

That's incremental revenue compared to smaller size rosters and that's got to help fund JV activities...at the very least.

With MUC, that's almost an embarassment of riches feeding the machine.   I just can't see the attraction for those bottom of the roster kids.  And I don't blame the coaches...if a kid wants to come to D3, he's paying his way so why not?

UMHB had similar numbers incoming too.

[Gray Fox]

He does seem content..so that is what matters. He started Freshman camp at Troy this week and is ready to knock those little freshman into shape.

Reading between the lines, I suspect he will be doing lots of coaching in the future.

[OxyBob]

Now if the 24-30 number turns out to be true...or anywhere close...that IS a change.

I find it very difficult to believe that a school with an enrollment of 1,250 has admitted 24-30 transfer students, all of them football players. That's almost 2% of the entire student body. Seems highly unlikely.

OxyBob

P.S. Are you still sticking with the story that you "have attended many Whittier games as a friend of mine has a son who plays for Whittier College"? Just wondering.

[Dead Poet Society]

OxyBob

Time will tell.....


Just a fan and supporter of a few parents kids.  I was with the parents (the group that yelled "wheres Oxy Bob" who sat in front of you during the greatest, most exciting football game ever played...Whittiers 67-61 WIN over Occidental a few years ago.

You were very gracious in defeat..although it was hard for you. I give you credit.

Not sure how your dog fared when you got home.......

[D O.C.]

Gee, OxyBob...is he referring to that game I left with about 4 minutes to go?

[OxyBob]

While perusing the Huffington Post, I read an item about a course offered at Oxy in the Critical Theory and Social Justice program. I looked in the Oxy course catalog and found that indeed it was true.

180. STUPIDITY.

Stupidity is neither ignorance nor organicity, but rather, a corollary of knowing and an element of normalcy, the double of intelligence rather than its opposite. It is an artifact of our nature as finite beings and one of the most powerful determinants of human destiny. Stupidity is always the name of the Other, and it is the sign of the feminine. This course in Critical Psychology follows the work of Friedrich Nietzsche, Gilles Deleuze, and most recently, Avital Ronell, in a philosophical examination of those operations and technologies that we conduct in order to render ourselves uncomprehending. Stupidity, which has been evicted from the philosophical premises and dumbed down by psychometric psychology, has returned in the postmodern discourse against Nation, Self, and Truth and makes itself felt in political life ranging from the presidency to Beevis and Butthead. This course examines stupidity.

The course is taught by G. Elmer Griffin, who teaches courses on stupidity, rastafari and the African diaspora, whiteness, critical blackness, clinical psychology, and Freud.

Oh, by the way, Dr. Griffin, it's Beavis and Butt-Head, not Beevis and Butthead.

God almighty, this is my alma mater.

You were very gracious in defeat..although it was hard for you. I give you credit.

Not as hard as it was just now to find out that Oxy offers a class called Stupidity.

OxyBob