FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Gray Fox]

http://www.thesciac.org/general_news/2010-11/CU_Welcome_Release

I think I even scooped Pat on this one.

[MonroviaCat]

http://www.thesciac.org/general_news/2010-11/CU_Welcome_Release

I think I even scooped Pat on this one.

Wow--that went from "never gonna happen" to a done deal pretty dang quick!

[Pat Coleman]

http://www.thesciac.org/general_news/2010-11/CU_Welcome_Release

I think I even scooped Pat on this one.

I may not have posted it to this message board but it was on D3sports.com's front page.

[OxyBob]

Re: Chapman Welcomed by SCIAC

An unfortunate decision that the SCIAC will regret in time.

OxyBob

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Re: Chapman Welcomed by SCIAC

An unfortunate decision that the SCIAC will regret in time.

OxyBob

Yup.

[Gray Fox]

Re: Chapman Welcomed by SCIAC

An unfortunate decision that the SCIAC will regret in time.

OxyBob

Yup.

And GF makes three.

[Pete Panther]

The SCIAC's been down this road with Chapman before. I don't see why SCIAC schools would want Chapman in the conference. CU's undergraduate enrollment is 4,300 and growing. A Chapman coach told me that they want to get even bigger and eventually move up to D-I. Football-wise, every SCIAC team already plays a nonconference game against Chapman each season. Joining the SCIAC only helps Chapman. This will go nowhere and fizzle out like it has in the past.

SUCK IT OXY BOB...

[OxyBob]

SUCK IT OXY BOB...

How pithy. How clever. How erudite. The product of a Chapman education.

OxyBob

[(509)Rat]

Call me ignorant but I don't see how the addition of Chapman, in any way, hurts the SCIAC. Enlighten me?

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Conference rules are voted on by conference members. Conference rules impact things like off-season practice, amount of permitted practices, day and times of conference matches.  Some schools have cultures/administrations/faculties that give greater deference and/or priority to athletics over academics in making such rules. The addition of a new school may have a significant impact on the implementation of such rules.

Strongly related is the availability of, and willingness to commit, resources (money) to athletics and where it falls within institutional priorities.

So there is some concern that the cultural balance of the conference will shift. That might be appear to be a good thing to some, not so good to others. 

[Gray Fox]

Tooth,
Well put.
GF

[CrashDavisD3]

Tooth,
Well put.
GF

Nice Welcome !!

[(509)Rat]

Tooth,

I'm assuming though that any change to conference policy/procedures/rules would have to be unanimously accepted by all participating members? At the very least a 2/3 majority vote is typically needed to amend bylaws in any organization. So are people worried that the Chapman Pres. and/or AD will have enough pull to change things for the worse?

There must be some history, bad blood, etc. because I'm really failing to see how one institution could completely corrupt the SCIAC.

I am a partner in a successful practice and understand how bringing in a new associate or partner with questionable ethics could end up hurting business. But I also know that the one individual would never be able to change the culture of the practice when the rest of us disagree. And more often than not he/she will end up complying with the rules, practicing and billing ethically or as the rest of the group sees fit.

What do the people outside of Oxy think? I think this topic is very interesting especially since the NWC has always had rumors of certain NAIA programs jumping to DIII and joining the conference.

[dahlby]

Sabretooth Tiger,

I get the feeling that you aren't too happy about Chapman being admitted to the SCIAC?

Are you aware that Chapman has been operating their Athletic Dept. Policies within the guidelines for each sport established by the member SCIAC schools that you reference? This has been going on for years. Chapman has always desired to become a member of the SCIAC, and has proven this to the member schools, as demonstrated by the 8-0 vote to accept CU into the conference.

Individuals have a right to their opinion as to whether or not they like Chapman's application being accepted , and I can respect that,  but I would hope that when forming an opinion, that it is done with the head (meaning ALL the facts), rather than with the heart (meaning unfriendly rivals).

Just as Chapman brings much to the table that will help the conference, I can imagine that there may be a few negatives, such as the existing conference teams that would normally get a pool A bid, will now have to try for a pool C bid, just as CU will now have to contend for a pool C, when as a pool B
they may have easily earned the bid.

I do look forward to Chapman getting stronger in the sports that the SCIAC has shown superiority, and also to the fact that some SCIAC schools will step up their level of play.

Overall, I think this can be a win-win for all parties, but time will tell.

Please feel free to call or PM if you would like to go into more detail.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

I was simply answering 509's question based on my understanding of the situation. I'm not familiar with SCIAC bylaws so I don't know whether a "super majority" is necessary for particular changes. From my seat, Chapman has more common with Redlands and Cal Lu than it does with Pomona and Oxy. The league is very diverse in terms of the culture of the member institutions, and now has nine members rather than eight. What does that hold in store?  Who knows? I don't have a crystal ball.

It's nothing that's going to keep me awake at night.