FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[CrashDavisD3]

Re: Chapman Welcomed by SCIAC

An unfortunate decision that the SCIAC will regret in time.

OxyBob

WHY ?

I just dont get it.....How is Cal Lu, Redlands already in the SCIAC better than adding Chapman....Chapman already plays SCIAC teams in all sports.SCIAC teams beat Chapman in most sports WHY is it so bad that Chapman is joining the SCIAC...What are current specific examples WHY Chapman is not a great addition to the SCIAC....Don't drag up junk from the past that no longer applies.

[CrashDavisD3]

Dude,

Take some time to actually read the thread. I haven't read any post saying that it "hurts the conference."  If your whole point of view is how well the SCIAC does or doesn't do in DIII playoffs, Chapman's addition will certainly help the SCIAC reputation/record w/i DIII. That, of course, assumes that the conference holds together, which it likely will, at least in the short term. Long term is harder to say.

The issue (for some) is imbalance w/i the conference and how the cultures of the different member institutions will meld now that the balance and dynamic of the voting bloc w/i the conference will shift. Only time will tell.

Ok so its is the cultures of Oxy, Cal Tech, CMS, PP vs the others.....What does have to do with anything ?

Are you implying that Chapman does offer a education that can match Redlands, Cal Lu, Whittier or La Verne ?

What is the culture ?  Do you really know ?   Do you really know the culture of Chapman ?

[dahlby]

For those that are not  familiar with the culture of Chapman University, let me direct you to the following areas of the Chapman culture:

> The quality of the faculty over the past 5-10 years.
> The GPA's of the entire admitted student body.
> The average test scores for admitted students.
> The GPA's of the student-athletes.
> The committment to all on campus facilities.
> The graduation rate of student-athletes.

The SCIAC press release stated that the vote to accept Chapman into the SCIAC was 8-0.
Maybe those voting knew something that certain posters on this web site have no knowledge of.
Look up the facts, then post your facts.

[dahlby]

Tooth,
I doubt very much that you are just "winging" it. You have made some very interestiing posts in the past. Maybe I am implying that some posters may be writing based on preconceived notions or something that they may have heard in the past. I can't comment on your recent posts regarding Chapman and the SCIAC, because I haven't read any of your support material.

I learned real quick, from a certain other OXY poster that I neded to post the facts, or direct other posters to the facts that would substantiate my postings.

[Gray Fox]

The main thing holding the nine teams together in one league is that they are all on the same "island'.

I never watched the show, but maybe they are like the people on "Lost".

[(509)Rat]

Thanks for the reply tooth.

It really sounds like the Tri-Lambs (Oxy, Cal Tech, PP, CMS) are a little upset/scared that the Alpha Beta's new pledge (Chapman) has become a full fledged member. Making the Alpha Betas (Redlands, La Verne, Cal Lu) a little more powerful.

Makes sense

[RFB]

Welcome to the SCIAC Chapman. I see no issues in their addition to the conference.

[wildcat11]

Thanks for the reply tooth.

It really sounds like the Tri-Lambs (Oxy, Cal Tech, PP, CMS) are a little upset/scared that the Alpha Beta's new pledge (Chapman) has become a full fledged member. Making the Alpha Betas (Redlands, La Verne, Cal Lu) a little more powerful.

Makes sense

(509),

Don't hate on the Tri-Lambs.  I hear they make a great pie!

[DoubleDomer]

Well, the issue of "culture" may be somewhat ambiguous, but it's not irrelevant. A good many DIII conferences have undergone significant shifts over the past decade or two, and "culture" was generally the catalyst.  In my home area of the Midwest, the Iowa Conference shed two schools (William Penn and Upper Iowa) while adding three others (Loras, Coe, and Cornell) that were more comparable to the more selective schools in the conference (Luther, principally) and less comparable to the less selective (Dubuque and Buena Vista).  Now Dubuque does the annual dance of "will she or won't she" dance. Meanwhile, the jewel of the Midwest Conference (Grinnell) debates how to gracefully exit the culturally mixed group (ranging from Carroll and Illinois College to Beloit and Lawrence) for the better match in the Iowa Conference--and, indeed, a half dozen schools in the upper Mississippi Valley (Carleton and St. Olaf from the MIAC, Grinnell and Lawrence from the Midwest, Luther from IIAC, and football independent Macalester) actively contemplate if they wouldn't be best served by just starting over. 

Seeing more or less the same thing going on in the Ohio Valley, by the way, where DePauw's departure for the NCAC leaves SCAC Centre, Sewanee, and Rhodes wondering just what on earth they're doing mixed up with Austin and Trinity, etc., etc., and so actively contemplating (at least at Centre & Sewanee) whether they might have a more compatible future with U of C, CMU, Wash U., etc. in the UAA.

I'm not saying that Chapman's coming aboard is bad--or good--and I'm certainly aware that the comparison to Midwestern DIIIs (which have a much larger array of peer options than the California DIIIs) is imperfect.  Still, it's worth keeping in mind that, where changes to "culture" are concerned, one domino can cause quite a lot of unplanned upset.

[wildcat11]

Just a questions that came up in my mind.

Cal Lutheran ran out in about 20 minutes after the Linfield game in September and post up their highlights on YouTube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FKZBfrsnU

But after Linfield spanked CLU in the first round I'm still waiting on CLU to post up that clip too....but nothing.  What gives?

I can only guess it was a minor overlook ... I'm sure it will be up soon....

Still waiting K4. 

BTW...just posted up Catdomealumni.com's Linfield vs CLU highlights from the opening round playoff game.  Drew Fisher's hit at 6:17 was fantastical.

[Kingsmen4]

Just a questions that came up in my mind.

Cal Lutheran ran out in about 20 minutes after the Linfield game in September and post up their highlights on YouTube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FKZBfrsnU

But after Linfield spanked CLU in the first round I'm still waiting on CLU to post up that clip too....but nothing.  What gives?

I can only guess it was a minor overlook ... I'm sure it will be up soon....

Still waiting K4. 

BTW...just posted up Catdomealumni.com's Linfield vs CLU highlights from the opening round playoff game.  Drew Fisher's hit at 6:17 was fantastical.

We haven't released it for personal reasons. 

Hit at 6:17 was the hardest hit I have seen at the DIII level, and one of the hardest I've seen period. Those type of hits are why only FEW receivers go over the middle with confidence. With that said, I would have stiff armed the defender and brought it in one handed  ... I think the ref called a penalty just becasue of the sickening noise that it made.

-Go Lu

[Kingsmen4]

So is Chapman going to be better than sub par now that they are back in the SCIAC? No excuses now... right??!

Anyway with them as a 7th conference game for SCIAC teams, we would now be allowed to schedule another non-conference and have a normal 10 game schedule like all the big boys??

-Go LU

[wildcat11]

... I think the ref called a penalty just becasue of the sickening noise that it made.

I asked the ref in question why he tossed and his only response was "personal reasons".    I think you're spot on why it was tossed.  I'm amazed on how a guy that is so slight in frame can generate that much pop but he does it over and over.   Should be fun build up to September.

[CrashDavisD3]

So is Chapman going to be better than sub par now that they are back in the SCIAC? No excuses now... right??!

Anyway with them as a 7th conference game for SCIAC teams, that we would now be allowed to schedule another non-conference and have a normal 10 game schedule like all the big boys??

-Go LU

How does Cal Lu compare to compare to Chapman in the other sports ? Would you consider Chapman subpar in every sport or just this one. Last time I checked Chapman did beat SCIAC team 4 times in football this past season with a 4 point loss to Redlands....Not sure I would call this subpar.......

[Mr. Ypsi]

In 2010, Chapman went 4-3 against SCIAC teams.  Maybe not great (maybe not even a contender - I don't know), but 'sub par'?

[Or perhaps you're a golfer, and 'sub par' means better than average? ]