FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[USee]

USee,

Dude give it up...LF was down by 400 game one and game two down 27-3 in the middle of the fourth (3:10 exactly) one poster said game LF was more dominated in game two than one.... UR was down 37-28, and had just got screwed on the goal line trying to score and then ran a crapping fake fg where if our kicker puts his head down like a man he scores (bad call Maynard) .....LF was not even past the 50....Stats loose to the scoreboard every time. In fact against UR, MHB was up and kept the offensive gas pedal down in order to insure the win, against LF the second string was in for MHB in the fourth for both games...Scoreboard matters the most!

Remember UR did all this with out their starting QB and RB....LF would have been beaten by 100 both games.

Why is it so hard to digest? please answer my question, this is awesome you care and find a snippets to rationalize.....UR played MHB better than LF both times. Man you are more loyal than my old lab.

Old Dog

Old Dog,

I will directly answer your question. This is decidedly not hard to digest. I just don't agree with your analysis (and apparently neither does anyone else).

Scoreboard is the only thing that matters? MHB 27 Linfield 10. Linfield lost by 17. MHB 50 UR 28. UR lost by 22. Scoreboard. Why is that so hard to digest? No stats, just scoreboard.

One more question for you---Even if I were to agree with your Redlands "sucks less" argument, a premise I find irrational at its foundation, your underlying rationale for all of these theatrics is that Redlands is somehow better than Linfield and Wheaton. Forgetting that all three lost to the national champion, Redlands also lost to a 5-5 team and has a common opponent with Linfield. Those data points (using only what matters....scoreboard!) favor Linfield. Why do you find that so hard to digest?

Redlands has done a fine job with their program but you will have to do better than a 50pt drubbing and matching TD's with KickOff returns to garner more favor with the D3 voters.

[olddog]

USEE,

You are a fine writer, kudos...Since myself and RFB are the only UR fans on the board I do not expect most to agree.

However as an ex-high school coach, If I am playing the number one team in the nation and the score is 37-28 in the fourth and I am on my opponents 1 yard line, I will take that over
27-3 with 3:15 left in the game two or game one 600-6....trouncing ....UR was in the game in the fourth, LF was done both times...so how am I wrong

It humors me this is so hard for the LF fans to digest, very entertaining ..

[USee]

USEE,

You are fine writer, kudos...Since myself and RFB are the only UR fans on the board I do not expect most to agree.

However as an ex-high school coach, If I am playing the number one team in the nation and the score is 37-28 in the fourth and I am on my opponents 1 yard line, I will take that over
27-3 with 3:15 left in the game two or game one 600-6....trouncing ....UR was in the game in the fourth, LF was done both times...so how am I wrong

It humors me this is so hard for the LF fans to digest, very entertaining ..

In case you didn't see it (or just want to ignore it), I am not a Linfield fan. I have no allegiance to them or Redlands.

You are wrong because you may as well have been on your own 1 yd line. You weren't going to score. 1st and goal on the 3 yd line and in 3 running plays you gained 1 yd. Then, your coach, with the season on the line decided your best offensive option on 4th and goal from the 2 was to have your kicker try and run it in. That's because your offense generated 22 plays for 29 yards in the fourth quarter.

You weren't ever going to win, neither was Linfield, that doesn't make you better than Linfield. What makes Linfield better than you is a more impressive result against another common opponent and the fact that they didn't lose to an average 5-5 team, they only lost to the undefeated national champion. Wheaton and Linfield have better wins on their resumes than Redlands, by a lot, and their losses are to undefeated or top 10 teams in competitive games.

[olddog]

Usee , glad to see your fired up...love it

Have I ever said UR was better than LF in 2016, nope ? did I say UR was vastly improved from week 1 and 2 until the season ending, Yep, RFB agreed with me after the LF game...He is blunt. Have you ever seen a team improve as the season goes on ? That is good coaching my friend.  Back to the topic, what I originally said that set the LF faithful off was... "if there ever was year for UR to pull off an upset of LF it was this year compared to recent games played"..I think LF was down this year and over rated, more like a top 15 team, I also never thought Wheaton was elite too. If others disagree, so be it, but we both played MHB at the end of the year and in my opinion UR played better against them than LF...no question hands down, 27-3 in the fourth is being dominated in all three facets of the game, 38-27 and on the one yard line is not...this is simple stuff, score board is always the most important stat, last time I checked. It humors me that you argue this point, UR/MHB game was more competitive than both LF..

I sure hope UR wins the SCIAC next season and makes a trip up to LF, if the D line can fill a couple holes and replace one corner, UR will be equally as tough in 2017, and an upset is possible. The following year the cup board is bare.

[USee]

Cool, so your contention is that Redlands sucked less against MHB than Linfield or Wheaton despite the fact the scoreboard says you sucked by 22 pts and Linfield only sucked by 17. Genius.

Good luck with that.

USee out..........

[CalCat]

USEE,

You are fine writer, kudos...Since myself and RFB are the only UR fans on the board I do not expect most to agree.

However as an ex-high school coach, If I am playing the number one team in the nation and the score is 37-28 in the fourth and I am on my opponents 1 yard line, I will take that over
27-3 with 3:15 left in the game two or game one 600-6....trouncing ....UR was in the game in the fourth, LF was done both times...so how am I wrong

Olddog...did you have a granddaughter that went to Redlands and was a Cheerleader ?

It humors me this is so hard for the LF fans to digest, very entertaining ..

[Jack Parkman]

I sure hope UR wins the SCIAC next season and makes a trip up to LF, if the D line can fill a couple holes and replace one corner, UR will be equally as tough in 2017, and an upset is possible. The following year the cup board is bare.

Yeah, because the SCIAC has routinely gone up to Oregon and pulled a first round upset.  Closest game up there was when Cal Lu had a FG blocked at the end that would have tied (I think).  Other than that, the SCIAC has been getting crushed on a yearly basis by Linfield and that isn't changing any time soon.

[olddog]

I just love all the sarcastic remarks.... bottom line UR outplayed LF against MHB....

[D O.C.]

Of course he read this last September

As (2nd half) play resumed, UMHB extended its lead immediately. Bryce Wilkerson flew 97 yards up the left sideline with the opening kickoff and the Cru went back in front by 11, 31-20.

Another Linfield miscue led directly to more UMHB points. After Jake Handran sacked Jackson for a 7-yard loss to force a punt, Riddle was intercepted on the very next play. Baylor Mullins returned the ball 15 yards for a touchdown and the Wildcats trailed 38-20 following the successful extra point.

Riddle led the Wildcats on a 81-yard scoring drive, capped with Carroll's second TD reception from eight yards out.

A high snap on a Linfield punt gave the Cru the ball at the Wildcats 3 and Jackson vaulted over the goal line on the next play, pushing UMHB's lead to 45-27 with 14:39 left to play.

UMHB padded its lead with three additional scores, including Markeith Miller's 87-yard run with 5:32 that put the game completely out of reach.

Both teams finished with 22 first downs but UMHB converted 28 points from the five Linfield turnovers.

[USee]

I just love all the sarcastic remarks.... bottom line UR outplayed LF against MHB....

Congratulations.

[jamtod]

I just love all the sarcastic remarks.... bottom line UR outplayed LF against MHB....

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

[emma17]

Since I'm not ready for the season to be over I appreciate reading this on-going debate.  olddog I give you credit for your gumption.
Some of this may be your choice of words.  You posted "bottom line UR outplayed LF against MHB".  Outplayed is the subjective term here. 
I agree wholeheartedly that every coach (I would think) wants his team to be in position to win late in the game (I'd define that as late 3rd quarter and on).  I don't care how a team gets there, being in position to win trumps statistics.  Neither Linfield nor Wheaton were in position to win late in the game, Redlands was. 

If this is a debate about who demonstrated the greatest ability to play competitively with UMHB in all three phases of the game, than I'd certainly have to take Linfield and Wheaton over Redlands. 

[USee]

Emma,

Just so we are looking at facts:

UR was down 28-37 with 5:13 left in the 3rd, had the ball deep in MHB territory (MHB 3--after a 63 yd KO return), with a chance to make it a one score game and was stopped on downs. That was their only possession in MHB territory in the 2nd half.

Wheaton was down 9-17 with 5:24 to go in the 3rd (INT return for TD) Wheaton then had the ball, down 16-31 deep in MHB territory (MHB 15--after an 11 play 66 yd drive), in the mid 4th quarter,  with a chance to make it a one score game and was stopped on downs. Wheaton had the ball 4x in MHB territory in the second half and scored TD's 2x.

Linfield took the 2nd half kick and drove to the MHB 32 with approximately 10 min left in the 3rd, down 13-3, and was stopped on downs. They made it to MHB territory 3 more times in the second half and had the PR TD. 

So Wheaton trailed by 8 pts at the exact same time in the game that UR trailed by 9. Wheaton had 4 chances in MHB territory and UR had 1 in the second half. To say UR had a better chance than Wheaton did  to win the game in the second half is a bit of a stretch.

[badgerwarhawk]

I'm just curious.  Considering both teams lost what difference does it make?  Losses are marked in the right hand column regardless.     

[emma17]

I'm just curious.  Considering both teams lost what difference does it make?  Losses are marked in the right hand column regardless.     

BW, this is a discussion board.  Sometimes it's entertaining to discuss what ifs.