FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[D O.C.]

olddog...chew on these enrollment figures from the Wisconsin D III schools.
I just looked at the chart.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2016/09/23/uw-system-fall-enrollment-down-5000-students/90800218/

[OCguy]

Chapman's recruiting is sub-par at best but it is also increasingly made more difficult due to admission standards. I have an example, a family friend of mine was heavily recruited to both Linfield and Chapman. Linfield got him on a plane, picked him up from the airport, handed him his acceptance letter on his visit along with a financial aid package and gave the full tour of campus and their history.
Chapman ended up rejecting that same student.
Pretty tough to compete when half the students you want can't even get in, i can only imagine how Pomona, Claremont and OXY must feel.   

[olddog]

olddog...chew on these enrollment figures from the Wisconsin D III schools.
I just looked at the chart.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2016/09/23/uw-system-fall-enrollment-down-5000-students/90800218/

I have seen them before, imagine if Cal State Fullerton or LB State could play D3 football. They would run the table given the cost to attend and talent in So Cal. They would hurt JC numbers.
No one cares about advantages in D3 so Wisc schools are safe...If anyone cared they would not have this crazy playoff system in football were the number 5 team in the nation gets the number one seed.

[olddog]

Chapman's recruiting is sub-par at best but it is also increasingly made more difficult due to admission standards. I have an example, a family friend of mine was heavily recruited to both Linfield and Chapman. Linfield got him on a plane, picked him up from the airport, handed him his acceptance letter on his visit along with a financial aid package and gave the full tour of campus and their history.
Chapman ended up rejecting that same student.
Pretty tough to compete when half the students you want can't even get in, i can only imagine how Pomona, Claremont and OXY must feel.

Claremont, takes a mini Stanford approach. They really try to go after a few players considering 1AA (makes sense if aid is good) , if you go to Claremont pretty good chance of having a very good job coming out of school (100k). I think Claremont given new facility will be even more competitive in SCIAC. Claremont moved their AD to nothing but fundraising and PR...he is very good at it, and hired more of a admin guy from UCLA to run the athletic side of the department. They have positioned themselves very well given their constraints.

[RFB]

Chapman's recruiting is sub-par at best but it is also increasingly made more difficult due to admission standards. I have an example, a family friend of mine was heavily recruited to both Linfield and Chapman. Linfield got him on a plane, picked him up from the airport, handed him his acceptance letter on his visit along with a financial aid package and gave the full tour of campus and their history.
Chapman ended up rejecting that same student.
Pretty tough to compete when half the students you want can't even get in, i can only imagine how Pomona, Claremont and OXY must feel.

Redlands admission standards are as equally as difficult, and they still find a way to field a competitive football program. The admissions standards are high, and I have no problem with that, but the cost to attend is out of control in my opinion. I just don't see how DIII will be able to field competitive teams in the future with the costs soaring out of control.

[OCguy]

D3 Football success, from a fairly general perspective, is predicated on how much money and resources a school gives a program. If Redlands or Chapman or even Claremont were given a budget increase for "academic scholarships" and marketing material while also accepting athletes regardless of academic standards ill bet the gap between the SCIAC and NWC would close quickly.
Unfortunately, winning a National Championship is not a priority and all of those resources are instead used for other things. Wishful thinking.

[olddog]

UR admission standards are slightly less then CU, they too loose players to LV, CLU...Heck the POY two seasons ago had UR as his first choice. UR's current president's agenda is less of a sports emphasis, he leaves football games at halftime, even when he was not sick. His goals are diversity, making the school 50 percent minority by 2020. This goal has affected how aid is given out in order to attract desired students to achieve his goal.
This goal has also altered traditional white student enrollment too, i.e. school did a poor job of presenting the issue to incoming white parents. Were academic standards going to be reduced to achieve this goal, school lost many applicants?  The school went from five years ago to having a record number of freshman (over 800) to around 500 to 600 last couple years. Of course soaring cost affected enrollment too. The goal is very honorable, I am just stating my observations, btw are all right.

UR could see other SCIAC schools building new athletic facilities, and it concerns coaches greatly. Heck UR's football lockers just got AC that worked last year, to give you an idea on how important it is to Admin, no AC and the boys practice in the desert. UR football lifts heavy weights under the stadium. UR has been studying how to expand their aging facilities but any significant changes still need a major funding source. Bottom line many new facilities are needed for the next 25 years. It remains to be seen if UR can catch the top schools in the SCIAC.

Like RFB said, most of UR's success is due to Mike Maynard and the fact football brings in 50+ freshman to the school, helping the male/female balance.
If Maynard was to retire of which I don't think will happen soon, it would be real interesting to see if UR turns into Oxy. Overall the sense I get is UR could turn into an Oxy real fast and current admin would not care.
Funny thing is most parents have no idea about Mike Maynard and how he will mature your son over the next four years of his life. Truly part of the college experience a parent wants for their son.

[olddog]

D3 Football success, from a fairly general perspective, is predicated on how much money and resources a school gives a program. If Redlands or Chapman or even Claremont were given a budget increase for "academic scholarships" and marketing material while also accepting athletes regardless of academic standards ill bet the gap between the SCIAC and NWC would close quickly.
Unfortunately, winning a National Championship is not a priority and all of those resources are instead used for other things. Wishful thinking.

OC Guy, SCIAC schools will never win a national championship in football. The closest the SCIAC has come to winning a playoff game recently was last year when UR was up at halftime to the national champs. A playoff win by a SCIAC school would make that team legendary in the conference given how the SCIAC champ will always play a top 8 seed in round one. Heck by the time a kid gets his aid at MHB it cost most of the players less than 5k to go there. How does Oxy, CU, UR compete...they don't ?

[RFB]

UR admission standards are slightly less then CU, they too loose players to LV, CLU...Heck the POY two seasons ago had UR as his first choice. UR's current president's agenda is less of a sports emphasis, he leaves football games at halftime, even when he was not sick. His goals are diversity, making the school 50 percent minority by 2020. This goal has affected how aid is given out in order to attract desired students to achieve his goal.
This goal has also altered traditional white student enrollment too, i.e. school did a poor job of presenting the issue to incoming white parents. Were academic standards going to be reduced to achieve this goal, school lost many applicants?  The school went from five years ago to having a record number of freshman (over 800) to around 500 to 600 last couple years. Of course soaring cost affected enrollment too. The goal is very honorable, I am just stating my observations, btw are all right.

UR could see other SCIAC schools building new athletic facilities, and it concerns coaches greatly. Heck UR's football lockers just got AC that worked last year, to give you an idea on how important it is to Admin, no AC and the boys practice in the desert. UR football lifts heavy weights under the stadium. UR has been studying how to expand their aging facilities but any significant changes still need a major funding source. Bottom line many new facilities are needed for the next 25 years. It remains to be seen if UR can catch the top schools in the SCIAC.

Like RFB said, most of UR's success is due to Mike Maynard and the fact football brings in 50+ freshman to the school, helping the male/female balance.
If Maynard was to retire of which I don't think will happen soon, it would be real interesting to see if UR turns into Oxy. Overall the sense I get is UR could turn into an Oxy real fast and current admin would not care.
Funny thing is most parents have no idea about Mike Maynard and how he will mature your son over the next four years of his life. Truly part of the college experience a parent wants for their son.

Lifting weights under the stadium is old school, and I hope they never change that aspect of the program. No AC in the locker rooms and getting after it in the desert sun is a right of passage for players coming through Redlands program. I'm a better man for going through that intense training for four years.

[olddog]

UR admission standards are slightly less then CU, they too loose players to LV, CLU...Heck the POY two seasons ago had UR as his first choice. UR's current president's agenda is less of a sports emphasis, he leaves football games at halftime, even when he was not sick. His goals are diversity, making the school 50 percent minority by 2020. This goal has affected how aid is given out in order to attract desired students to achieve his goal.
This goal has also altered traditional white student enrollment too, i.e. school did a poor job of presenting the issue to incoming white parents. Were academic standards going to be reduced to achieve this goal, school lost many applicants?  The school went from five years ago to having a record number of freshman (over 800) to around 500 to 600 last couple years. Of course soaring cost affected enrollment too. The goal is very honorable, I am just stating my observations, btw are all right.

UR could see other SCIAC schools building new athletic facilities, and it concerns coaches greatly. Heck UR's football lockers just got AC that worked last year, to give you an idea on how important it is to Admin, no AC and the boys practice in the desert. UR football lifts heavy weights under the stadium. UR has been studying how to expand their aging facilities but any significant changes still need a major funding source. Bottom line many new facilities are needed for the next 25 years. It remains to be seen if UR can catch the top schools in the SCIAC.

Like RFB said, most of UR's success is due to Mike Maynard and the fact football brings in 50+ freshman to the school, helping the male/female balance.
If Maynard was to retire of which I don't think will happen soon, it would be real interesting to see if UR turns into Oxy. Overall the sense I get is UR could turn into an Oxy real fast and current admin would not care.
Funny thing is most parents have no idea about Mike Maynard and how he will mature your son over the next four years of his life. Truly part of the college experience a parent wants for their son.

Lifting weights under the stadium is old school, and I hope they never change that aspect of the program. No AC in the locker rooms and getting after it in the desert sun is a right of passage for players coming through Redlands program. I'm a better man for going through that intense training for four years.

RFB, I fully understand what you are saying and believe it turns boys into men...., but kids today are not the same kid as 15 plus years ago. They want the glam, bling, ...they look at uniforms, and how big time things looks....Its just a fact, when Varsity HS coaches talk to 8th graders they discuss uniforms. Why do high schools need three of four combo's, some have six ? I would rather the kids have 5 star helmets and basic uniforms. I don't get it but know we have to go with it. Heck Maynard has a twitter account.
It never crossed my mind or my sons when we went through the process.

[DBQ1965]

UR admission standards are slightly less then CU, they too loose players to LV, CLU...Heck the POY two seasons ago had UR as his first choice. UR's current president's agenda is less of a sports emphasis, he leaves football games at halftime, even when he was not sick. His goals are diversity, making the school 50 percent minority by 2020. This goal has affected how aid is given out in order to attract desired students to achieve his goal.
This goal has also altered traditional white student enrollment too, i.e. school did a poor job of presenting the issue to incoming white parents. Were academic standards going to be reduced to achieve this goal, school lost many applicants?  The school went from five years ago to having a record number of freshman (over 800) to around 500 to 600 last couple years. Of course soaring cost affected enrollment too. The goal is very honorable, I am just stating my observations, btw are all right.

UR could see other SCIAC schools building new athletic facilities, and it concerns coaches greatly. Heck UR's football lockers just got AC that worked last year, to give you an idea on how important it is to Admin, no AC and the boys practice in the desert. UR football lifts heavy weights under the stadium. UR has been studying how to expand their aging facilities but any significant changes still need a major funding source. Bottom line many new facilities are needed for the next 25 years. It remains to be seen if UR can catch the top schools in the SCIAC.

Like RFB said, most of UR's success is due to Mike Maynard and the fact football brings in 50+ freshman to the school, helping the male/female balance.
If Maynard was to retire of which I don't think will happen soon, it would be real interesting to see if UR turns into Oxy. Overall the sense I get is UR could turn into an Oxy real fast and current admin would not care.
Funny thing is most parents have no idea about Mike Maynard and how he will mature your son over the next four years of his life. Truly part of the college experience a parent wants for their son.

Lifting weights under the stadium is old school, and I hope they never change that aspect of the program. No AC in the locker rooms and getting after it in the desert sun is a right of passage for players coming through Redlands program. I'm a better man for going through that intense training for four years.

RFB, I fully understand what you are saying and believe it turns boys into men...., but kids today are not the same kid as 15 plus years ago. They want the glam, bling, ...they look at uniforms, and how big time things looks....Its just a fact, when Varsity HS coaches talk to 8th graders they discuss uniforms. Why do high schools need three of four combo's, some have six ? I would rather the kids have 5 star helmets and basic uniforms. I don't get it but know we have to go with it. Heck Maynard has a twitter account.
It never crossed my mind or my sons when we went through the process.

olddog ... I think we represent different generations,  but I  think we agree on this.  For me, from the era of leather helmets, black high top shoes, and no face bars, I look with disbelief at how HS teams are outfitted today.  Outfitted as they are, my "Flames" don't come close to the days of yore.

[OCguy]

Uniforms, locker rooms and swagger mean a lot to younger players now. It just does for some reason. To Chapman and Coach O's credit I believe they have actually understood and reacted to that trend very well. I recently visited and got to see some of their facilities. Chapman's locker room has surround-sound speakers, couches and even a plasma screen TV... Tell me as a high school kid that walking into that locker room wouldn't make you excited to come play there.

Here is a photo of the other half of Chapman's new stadium. With the other half of the stadium this place will actually start to feel like a real DII or DIAA facility. Could give Redlands and Calwho a run for their money as toughest place to play in the SCIAC 
Copy and paste Link then click on "The Building"  https://www.chapman.edu/support-chapman/capital-campaigns/center-for-science-and-technology/index.aspx

[Jack Parkman]

I'll say one thing about the facilities at Redlands.....they have the best damn grounds crew in all of D3.  Their baseball field leaves a lot to be desired overall but that surface is unreal.  The grass on The Runner looks like a damn PGA course!

[Purple Heys]

I'll say one thing about the facilities at Redlands.....they have the best damn grounds crew in all of D3.  Their baseball field leaves a lot to be desired overall but that surface is unreal.  The grass on The Runner looks like a damn PGA course!

I'll second that...and its been that way since I first played on it in Pop Warner as part of the the Terrier Pups!

[Purple Heys]

...even a plasma screen TV...

They still make those?