FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Jack Parkman]

http://www.theeastsiderla.com/2012/05/occidental-college-fires-football-coach-in-wake-of-recruiting-investigation/

Read this article from DW's canning from 2012 and one of the folks that commented wrote this: "Ms Hoffman was a poor hire, guys, and if you let this go, it won't be long before you have to replace a whole lot of coaches. Professors and Coaches alike do not appreciate working in an environment where there is no support, no trust."

What's amazing is that he was at Oxy for 30 years and the last 2 he was under investigation twice.  How does someone go 28 years with nothing and all of the sudden he forgets the rules?  Seems really fishy to me.

[Gregory Sager]

Funny story - I had a family friend get recruited by DW in 2012. Dale apparently told my family friend that he would have no problem getting in and that the program really wanted him. My family friend was also being salivated over by Linfield college who flew him out to their school and Coach Smith even told him that he would be an All american by the time he was a Jr. (Kid ended up at Chapman and was a dominating force on the D-line and got all conference honors)

Long story short, the new AD came in and rejected him despite solid academics from a private school. DW called him personally to apologize and even mentioned the new AD as the reason for so many of the recruits being rejected and that was the reason for the small recruiting class. Shortly there after DW was fired and the new AD had officially started the collapse of OXY football.
Just plane sad to see a historic program stripped down because this AD wants woman's softball to have the same amount of funding and attention as Football.

Paying for a recruit's or their parent's air fare or providing the transportation on the school's private plane would be violation.

BW, I was baffled by the assertion that there's a school somewhere in which an athletic director has veto power within the admissions process. I've never heard of such a thing, although I don't claim to know the rules at every institution of higher education in the U.S.

[Gregory Sager]

Well, you can upgrade other facilities and not be anti-football. In reality, you need to have decent facilities for all sports, especially in D-3. So the fact that basketball facilities were upgraded is probably good for the entirety of Oxy's athletics program. A modern day AD has to make sure every sport has a chance to compete.

Football, even in D-3, consumes a lot of resources.

Certainly, football at OXY is broken, but that's not just an AD issue. The entire administration needs to decide about football.

In the NCAC, backmarkers like Oberlin and Kenyon haven't killed football even with low numbers and student interest. Denison used to be in that group, but now they're knocking on the door of the Top 25. Hiram has also had runs of good teams. Those four schools are not 'typical' for Ohio schools - Hiram has a unique program and the other three really aspire to be a national Liberal Arts college, much like Occidental. What that says is that while football isn't THE priority for those schools, they recognize it's value and kept it going, even in the days when Kenyon and Oberlin had 45 to 50 players and linemen playing both ways.

Have you ever been on Campus at Oxy ?

Are you even the tiniest bit familiar with Oberlin?

Also, at DePauw, they had an AD who was supposedly 'anti-football' and fired a coach for an alleged violation of school policy. That set the program in the weeds for a while, but they made a good hire who knew how to recruit and coach in the area and are now NCAC contenders.

So a college with competitive academics can recover an thrive, even with an AD who is 'anti-football' according to some.

Again, it's a decision made by the entire administration - President, Cabinet, Trustees, etc. Not just the AD. They control the purse and the identity of the College.

If you have followed Oxy, this is the same Oxy that let the kids camp in their office protesting, on their phones ordering take out...need I say more.
The same Oxy, when a club set out small flags as memorial to 911, kids stole the flags twice... Big news this year flags were not stolen.

You've just described the campus situation at a notable percentage of colleges and universities across the country -- including the schools that smeds mentioned (especially Oberlin, a school that -- given its history, reputation, and campus climate -- I'm continually amazed continues to offer football). I've read tales about schools all across the country that sound very similar to what you're describing at Oxy. Nothing you've posted about Occidental strikes me as being out of the ordinary, given the current climate of American higher education.

[OxyBob]

If you have followed Oxy, this is the same Oxy that let the kids camp in their office protesting, on their phones ordering take out...need I say more. The same Oxy, when a club set out small flags as memorial to 911, kids stole the flags twice... Big news this year flags were not stolen.

I've read tales about schools all across the country that sound very similar to what you're describing at Oxy. Nothing you've posted about Occidental strikes me as being out of the ordinary, given the current climate of American higher education.

olddog likes to pretend that Redlands is caught in a time warp where there's uniformity and conformity and no rebellion among the students. He thinks Redlands students are always well-behaved, always polite and always nicely dressed, hanging out at the soda fountain and going to campus sock hops. olddog thinks when Redlands students are told to do so something, they do so right away without question to their elders. He sees Redlands students like this:



Little does he know there are precious little triggered snowflakes everywhere.

SNOWFLAKES: Leftist Students Host 'Dance Party of Resistance' At Redlands To Protest Shapiro
http://www.dailywire.com/news/14487/snowflakes-leftist-students-host-dance-party-elliott-hamilton#

OxyBob

[D O.C.]

Boy, am I glad you're back on here.

[(509)Rat]

Protest Shapiro?

Buncha anti-semites...

[RFB]

Boy, am I glad you're back on here.

100% this

[Gray Fox]

http://www.theeastsiderla.com/2012/05/occidental-college-fires-football-coach-in-wake-of-recruiting-investigation/

Read this article from DW's canning from 2012 and one of the folks that commented wrote this: "Ms Hoffman was a poor hire, guys, and if you let this go, it won't be long before you have to replace a whole lot of coaches. Professors and Coaches alike do not appreciate working in an environment where there is no support, no trust."

Guys - the article is short but the comments are quite explicit about the AD. 

[smedindy]

http://www.theeastsiderla.com/2012/05/occidental-college-fires-football-coach-in-wake-of-recruiting-investigation/

Read this article from DW's canning from 2012 and one of the folks that commented wrote this: "Ms Hoffman was a poor hire, guys, and if you let this go, it won't be long before you have to replace a whole lot of coaches. Professors and Coaches alike do not appreciate working in an environment where there is no support, no trust."

Guys - the article is short but the comments are quite explicit about the AD. 

"Never read the comments. " - Wise Internet Wisdom.

[smedindy]

http://www.theeastsiderla.com/2012/05/occidental-college-fires-football-coach-in-wake-of-recruiting-investigation/

Read this article from DW's canning from 2012 and one of the folks that commented wrote this: "Ms Hoffman was a poor hire, guys, and if you let this go, it won't be long before you have to replace a whole lot of coaches. Professors and Coaches alike do not appreciate working in an environment where there is no support, no trust."

What's amazing is that he was at Oxy for 30 years and the last 2 he was under investigation twice.  How does someone go 28 years with nothing and all of the sudden he forgets the rules?  Seems really fishy to me.

Well, that's not unheard of. We changed ADs at CWU, who set about to tighten compliance and make sure we were recruiting more 4-year players than transfers at all sports (in D-2, that's a culture change for FB and hoops). The FB coach, who had been there for several years, was bounced due to issues with accounting of funds for his football camp and alcohol violations. It had been going on for years.

ADs now usually have a staff member or two whose main job is compliance with NCAA regulations.

[smedindy]

Also, at DePauw, they had an AD who was supposedly 'anti-football' and fired a coach for an alleged violation of school policy. That set the program in the weeds for a while, but they made a good hire who knew how to recruit and coach in the area and are now NCAC contenders.

So a college with competitive academics can recover an thrive, even with an AD who is 'anti-football' according to some.

Again, it's a decision made by the entire administration - President, Cabinet, Trustees, etc. Not just the AD. They control the purse and the identity of the College.

If you have followed Oxy, this is the same Oxy that let the kids camp in their office protesting, on their phones ordering take out...need I say more.
The same Oxy, when a club set out small flags as memorial to 911, kids stole the flags twice... Big news this year flags were not stolen.

See almost every small college in the nation that has a liberal or activist wing in its student body.

Better have the protesters engaged and have dialogue than what happened in the 60's. At CWU here in Ellensburg, our president took 90 minutes discussing items with the BLM activists, and then had a lunch with them and other minority groups (Latinx, LGBT, Muslim, etc.)

The activists, etc. have nothing to do with how a school treats its athletics program. Usually, it's faculty that make the uproar that a college is too focused on athletics, or giving football preference over other sports.

AGAIN...the perception that she's anti-football may just be that she's PRO other sports. You have to have balance as a modern AD.

Still, this doesn't excuse the program being in this shape, or them cancelling a game the players wanted to play. That's definitely on the ENTIRE administration. Presidents, Trustees, Cabinet, etc.

[smedindy]

Protest Shapiro?

Buncha anti-semites...

Fun fact: Shapiro himself has been called an anti-semite due to his views on secular Jews. I think he's toned down that rhetoric.

I hope no one is an anti-dentite though.

[Gregory Sager]

Me, too, since the dentist who took offense at anti-dentites turned out fifteen years later to be Heisenberg.

[D O.C.]

AGAIN...the perception that she's anti-football may just be that she's PRO other sports. You have to have balance as a modern AD.

True, but I never paid to see anything other than 9 Occidental football games.

[smedindy]

On a counter point, Oxy seems to be mired in muddled mediocrity across all sports in the SCIAC - looking at the all-sports standings last year.

Not that you judge a program solely by its performance in All Sports, but they're slumming close to LaVerne and Whittier there....