FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Purple Heys]

Did anyone really think Oxy admin would do anything to the AD, come on folks...this is the same group that let the kids on grants at this 66k school,  protest in their offices with wifi so they could order food and coffee.

The only way any change will happen in terms of athletics if the alumni donations are impacted. O/W the liberal inmates will run the asylum. Money talks...the end.

I just check vegas line and Whittier is now the favorite in the "Shoe Bowl"

Look, I'm not going say this was all part of a master plan, but...     

[smedindy]

Swarthmore = Girl's school
Newbury College / Montclair State / Regis College / Catholic University all Hoffman's pedigree = east coast mentality

This is L.A.

Montclair has been to the playoffs in recent memory - though the NJAC has really improved with Salisbury and Wesley joining Rowan.

If I remember there was a lot of flack given to Swarthmore's leadership and president for that vote to remove football. The students wanted to keep it, so did many alumni.

And I wouldn't pick on Catholic - someone special's alma mater....

[smedindy]

Did anyone really think Oxy admin would do anything to the AD, come on folks...this is the same group that let the kids on grants at this 66k school,  protest in their offices with wifi so they could order food and coffee.

The only way any change will happen in terms of athletics if the alumni donations are impacted. O/W the liberal inmates will run the asylum. Money talks...the end.

I just check vegas line and Whittier is now the favorite in the "Shoe Bowl"

Well, a lot of students get admitted need blind at good schools, and with their endowment they can afford it.

In FY16 they raised $25 million, and they weren't in a capital campaign. Of that, most of it was corporations and foundations, but there was a good chunk ($6 million) from alumni and they had over 8,000 gifts. Their endowment per student is impressive.

I would gather that many of the donors may not care enough about football to withhold donations - especially the corporations and foundations. I don't know that for 100% sure, but in my experience at small schools athletics isn't really a priority among many donors. They enthuse the alumni, yes, and bring people together - but they give for more reasons than athletics. Skillful development programs can turn those conversations toward helping the current and future students.

[Pat Coleman]

I don't have any particular objection ...

[D O.C.]

smedindy... because of that fact, when I spotted C.U. on a train to downtown Washington D.C. I went back the next day and toured the campus on foot. 

[Oxy1995]

I got a call last night from Oxy wanting to know if I was willing to donate money. 

[olddog]

Did anyone really think Oxy admin would do anything to the AD, come on folks...this is the same group that let the kids on grants at this 66k school,  protest in their offices with wifi so they could order food and coffee.

The only way any change will happen in terms of athletics if the alumni donations are impacted. O/W the liberal inmates will run the asylum. Money talks...the end.

I just check vegas line and Whittier is now the favorite in the "Shoe Bowl"

Well, a lot of students get admitted need blind at good schools, and with their endowment they can afford it.

In FY16 they raised $25 million, and they weren't in a capital campaign. Of that, most of it was corporations and foundations, but there was a good chunk ($6 million) from alumni and they had over 8,000 gifts. Their endowment per student is impressive.

I would gather that many of the donors may not care enough about football to withhold donations - especially the corporations and foundations. I don't know that for 100% sure, but in my experience at small schools athletics isn't really a priority among many donors. They enthuse the alumni, yes, and bring people together - but they give for more reasons than athletics. Skillful development programs can turn those conversations toward helping the current and future students.

I suggest you research what happen at CMS when they were going to drop football, better yet take a skillful look at Redlands recent largest donor and his linkage to football.

[olddog]

I got a call last night from Oxy wanting to know if I was willing to donate money.

Your answer ?

[smedindy]

CMS is tough because it's THREE schools fundraising.

FY16 - C: 53.4 million, 27 million for endowments, 29 million from alumni, 16 million from foundations
FY16 - M: 16.4 million, 7.5 million for endowments, 7.1 million from other individuals, 6.1 million came from bequests (probably part of the 7.1)
FY16 - S: 14.2 million, 8.8 million for endowments (half unrestricted - that's a wow), 4.8 million from others, 4 million from foundations

From this, CMS will do just ducky - football or not. They have diverse funding sources.

Redlands does get a lot of its money from alumni, of the 16.3 million, 11.75 million came from alumni. BUT...9.1 million went to endowments - over half of their fundraising. The largest gift I saw in a quick google search was 35.5 million from the Hunsakers to fund scholarships for incoming students in the College of Arts & Sciences. He praised Redlands as being on the right path, to create future leaders and hopefully students that will give back as they have. Paying it forward. Saying nothing about athletics.

At this level, alumni give more to the institution as a whole, and for specific programs, as a reason. Athletics doesn't matter much to their philanthropy.

Quick story: At Wabash, where 10% of the student body plays football, and we get 3 to 4 times as many at our football games than enrollment, we never featured athletics that much in our solicitation materials. Yes, we had them, but had the glee club, theater, and research pictured as prominently. And the first real giving campaign for athletics was the construction of the new baseball field, and a revamp of soccer and lacrosse fields. Those, mind you, are sports where Wabash doesn't normally do that well in the NCAC (and we just started LaCrosse). We also put field turf on the football field, too. But that was done out of necessity.

Where the lack of athletics (or football) hurts is not in GIVING, but in ENROLLMENT. Students who go to a 4-year residential college or university want a broad swath of activities. It attracts students, whether you are Mt. Union or Whittier. It's why there are more D-3 schools trying to add football - to get more enrollment, especially male enrollment.

Where OXY will hurt is dwindling enrollment. That's going to shake people up more than anything.

[jknezek]

Where OXY will hurt is dwindling enrollment. That's going to shake people up more than anything.

Oxy's acceptance rate, as of 2015, is 44.9%. I don't think they have to worry about dwindling enrollment any time soon. You'd see a drop in the caliber of students of first. For example, their enrollment is 2062. First years are usually the largest class, so you can assume there are over 500 first years. That means over 1100 applicants. The whole football team at a football healthy school probably averages 100, about 40-50 are first years. If you get 3x as many football players applying as accepted, you would lose 150 applicants. That would drop to 950, or, keeping a 500 first year enrollment, 52.6% acceptance rate. Still pretty high. So we can see that a school with an admissions rate of less than 50%, not having football probably doesn't hurt much. There are more than a few highly rated liberal arts schools without football.

Where it hurts is when your gender ratio falls apart or at schools with 80% and up acceptance rates. Oxy does not have that problem right now.

[Gray Fox]

http://www.theoccidentalweekly.com/sports/2017/05/02/jaime-hoffman-occidental-athletic-director/2888085

[Fear the Poet 63]

Athletic Directors do not need to be jerks...

Whittier may have a ways to go but the direction overall is at least up with respect to supporting their athletes and athletics in general and it's nice to see.  AD Robert Coleman knows athletes in the programs by name, makes it a priority to attend games, meets, matches...and found the time to travel to Whitworth to watch the season opener.  I've met him and I know he's sincere about building every program onto a competitive footing.  They have an Athletic Leadership council and training group designed to help develop a winning culture.  This does not guarantee league titles, but it certainly doesn't hurt the pursuit.

On another note, my oldest son played at a school in the midwest where the team suffered a horredous conference play losing streak, they finally broke it on the last home game of his senior year.  After the game was long over, the AD ordered to scoreboard left on overnight.  When my son and the other seniors went to the field after midnight to have a beer at midfield and celebrate, after a bit of time someone walk out to the field...they figured they were going to be chased off.  Nope, it was the AD.  He cracked open a beer and toasted the day with them.  One of the best nights of my son's college experience.

Rob Coleman is top notch.

[olddog]

CMS is tough because it's THREE schools fundraising.

FY16 - C: 53.4 million, 27 million for endowments, 29 million from alumni, 16 million from foundations
FY16 - M: 16.4 million, 7.5 million for endowments, 7.1 million from other individuals, 6.1 million came from bequests (probably part of the 7.1)
FY16 - S: 14.2 million, 8.8 million for endowments (half unrestricted - that's a wow), 4.8 million from others, 4 million from foundations

From this, CMS will do just ducky - football or not. They have diverse funding sources.

Redlands does get a lot of its money from alumni, of the 16.3 million, 11.75 million came from alumni. BUT...9.1 million went to endowments - over half of their fundraising. The largest gift I saw in a quick google search was 35.5 million from the Hunsakers to fund scholarships for incoming students in the College of Arts & Sciences. He praised Redlands as being on the right path, to create future leaders and hopefully students that will give back as they have. Paying it forward. Saying nothing about athletics.

At this level, alumni give more to the institution as a whole, and for specific programs, as a reason. Athletics doesn't matter much to their philanthropy.

Quick story: At Wabash, where 10% of the student body plays football, and we get 3 to 4 times as many at our football games than enrollment, we never featured athletics that much in our solicitation materials. Yes, we had them, but had the glee club, theater, and research pictured as prominently. And the first real giving campaign for athletics was the construction of the new baseball field, and a revamp of soccer and lacrosse fields. Those, mind you, are sports where Wabash doesn't normally do that well in the NCAC (and we just started LaCrosse). We also put field turf on the football field, too. But that was done out of necessity.

Where the lack of athletics (or football) hurts is not in GIVING, but in ENROLLMENT. Students who go to a 4-year residential college or university want a broad swath of activities. It attracts students, whether you are Mt. Union or Whittier. It's why there are more D-3 schools trying to add football - to get more enrollment, especially male enrollment.

Where OXY will hurt is dwindling enrollment. That's going to shake people up more than anything.

I guess you missed that game where he was honored and the part about being a former football player, coin toss etc...If UR drops football they loose about 50 to 60 males that would not have enrolled in the school, no long term impact at all.
CMS, the scenario was very clear when it was proposed to drop football. Former athletes in various sports opposed it. Sorry its not the first click in your google search.

[olddog]

CMS is tough because it's THREE schools fundraising.

FY16 - C: 53.4 million, 27 million for endowments, 29 million from alumni, 16 million from foundations
FY16 - M: 16.4 million, 7.5 million for endowments, 7.1 million from other individuals, 6.1 million came from bequests (probably part of the 7.1)
FY16 - S: 14.2 million, 8.8 million for endowments (half unrestricted - that's a wow), 4.8 million from others, 4 million from foundations

From this, CMS will do just ducky - football or not. They have diverse funding sources.

Redlands does get a lot of its money from alumni, of the 16.3 million, 11.75 million came from alumni. BUT...9.1 million went to endowments - over half of their fundraising. The largest gift I saw in a quick google search was 35.5 million from the Hunsakers to fund scholarships for incoming students in the College of Arts & Sciences. He praised Redlands as being on the right path, to create future leaders and hopefully students that will give back as they have. Paying it forward. Saying nothing about athletics.

At this level, alumni give more to the institution as a whole, and for specific programs, as a reason. Athletics doesn't matter much to their philanthropy.

Quick story: At Wabash, where 10% of the student body plays football, and we get 3 to 4 times as many at our football games than enrollment, we never featured athletics that much in our solicitation materials. Yes, we had them, but had the glee club, theater, and research pictured as prominently. And the first real giving campaign for athletics was the construction of the new baseball field, and a revamp of soccer and lacrosse fields. Those, mind you, are sports where Wabash doesn't normally do that well in the NCAC (and we just started LaCrosse). We also put field turf on the football field, too. But that was done out of necessity.

Where the lack of athletics (or football) hurts is not in GIVING, but in ENROLLMENT. Students who go to a 4-year residential college or university want a broad swath of activities. It attracts students, whether you are Mt. Union or Whittier. It's why there are more D-3 schools trying to add football - to get more enrollment, especially male enrollment.

Where OXY will hurt is dwindling enrollment. That's going to shake people up more than anything.

BTW I use to know a lot of  ex football players from Whittier now its  a few due to deaths I will let them know their donations at death are not significant to the college. 

[smedindy]

Oh, no participation is greatly significant, especially for grants, and the volume of class giving (the power of many...) But, in the long run, athletics isn't a top reason people give.