FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Gray Fox]

Cru, have you ever met folks like the AD and Pres at a liberal Arts college in CA? I had a brief encounter with the AD a few years back, not a typical AD. This is the same school that let protesters stay in the presidents office and protest, while they ordered Starbucks. More nuts there than the bulk section at Whole Foods.

It sounds like she should be the AD at Reed College

[MonroviaCat]

I doubt anyone associated with UMHB can relate to anything that you mention in reference to Oxy - unless they've been a part of some other institution of high learning. With rare exception, we tend to be a tad on the conservative side of things here in Texas and definitely all in when it comes to football.   

Cru, based on my experience at MHB, it is the tell of two worlds...Its Austin on liberal steroids...

Austin / Austin on "liberal steroids"

I'm ashamed to admidt I did a google search for "Stone Cold Steve Austin before and after steroids" as this would have really been perfect......no luck though. 

[D O.C.]

Gosh, is it possible that Chapman might go down to Belton and have a better loss than the maroon and gray did last year?

[MonroviaCat]

Gosh, is it possible that Chapman might go down to Belton and have a better loss than the maroon and gray did last year?

too much can still happen DOC—aren't you the one who called it the SCIAC circus?  My money is on Oxy! 

[wartknight]

Gosh, is it possible that Chapman might go down to Belton and have a better loss than the maroon and gray did last year?

Too funny +k

[olddog]

Gosh, is it possible that Chapman might go down to Belton and have a better loss than the maroon and gray did last year?

I knew that one was coming cant believe it took a couple days, you have done better. Pretty frustrating from my end, on paper you can appear better but what is between the ears is tough to measure until game day. It is clear to me the seniors last year were better leaders and this team misses leadership, along with some head scratching lack of adjustments.

I agree it has become a tradition to see who gets blown out the least against MHB in the playoffs....Lets just hope LF can keep it to a 30 point game in Belton.  LF is the real winner you get to  go to Millers Smokehouse after the game, enjoy the brisket.

[OxyBob]

At least something good happened on Homecoming weekend.
Andy Collins inductee into Oxy Hall of Fame.

AC was greatest QB in Oxy history, with all due respect to the great Jack Kemp.

Point is they want this to die in my opinion, the AD can point to the roster and say see, not enough interest and the president can say see not enough interest.

It seems that way. They have already replaced the O in the middle of the football field with "This Space For Rent."

OxyBob

[DFWCrufan]

Olddog, I delt with something like the Oxy AD while a coach at a high school in CA (Inland Empire). It was 9/11 and the guys wanted to add an american flag to the back of their unis by team choice. We researched and priced them, had a set made up to show the Ad and principal. all were pleased and since it didn't change the budget to have them imprinted we were all set to go. The school paper did an article from the players point of view since they were the ones who decided to do it, and the next day after the article I was told to not have the flag on the uni.
I asked was it too big (It was simply a small tab of a US flag) gaudy. did it look bad (since they had OK'd them)...none of the above, it was a person (one) in the school somewhere, who was not affiliated in any way with the program nor even went to the games, who complained about how it "Militarized" the players and made them look hostile.
No uni's with flag on the back as designed...Later we found out it was a teachers Aide who wrote the complaint.
Soooo the players got together and figured this, they painted a small flag on the backs of their boots....(RUSD could not change that)
A funny thing happened later in the season the principal came out, she was talking to me watching the guys practice and noticed the flags on the backs of their boots.. just looking ahead she asked "they're idea? I just smiled.. "Yep" she said "good idea" and walked back to her office.

So yeah, the PC police were out there, It appears the maniacs have taken over many of the asylums, that is why i am so blessed and pleased with UMHB, My second daughter is in her senior year Pre Law and that school has given her such a foundation, her next move A&M Law (She looked at Baylor and even Houston (yech) but...

[wildcat11]

DFW,

As a liberal, I often shake my head when reading stories like this at those who share similar political leanings as I do but tend to get offended so quickly.  However, I do see those that share more conservative views tend to get worked up pretty quickly as well, and jump to ridiculous conclusions, when a professional athlete peacefully protests inequalities in our great country. It cuts both ways and we could all do much better.

[olddog]

DFW,

As a liberal, I often shake my head when reading stories like this at those who share similar political leanings as I do but tend to get offended so quickly.  However, I do see those that share more conservative views tend to get worked up pretty quickly as well, and jump to ridiculous conclusions, when a professional athlete peacefully protests inequalities in our great country. It cuts both ways and we could all do much better.

I was never allowed to publicly protest in my workplace, were you, player think they should be able too  ? Why in the world would anyone in their right mind pick to offend the very people that fought, died and were maimed to give them their freedom to be a spoiled highly paid entertainer. Worse marketing plan in the world and I personally have not purchased any products advertised by the NFL since this nonsense started. I have an auto purchase on hold until this nonsense stops. Pick a different venue to make your point. I agree they did not break a law, but that is a weak rationalization, it is just beyond rude and disrespectful.

BTW I did not vote for Trump...so this is not political for me it is about disrespecting others.

[Pat Coleman]

So, just to fill out this incomplete comparison you draw, did your work also play the national anthem during your shift and require you to stand for it? And did it make this change to the working conditions without involving your union representation?

Regardless of which side of the conversation you're on, the comparison about publicly protesting in your workplace is woefully incomplete.

[RFB]

At least something good happened on Homecoming weekend.
Andy Collins inductee into Oxy Hall of Fame.

AC was greatest QB in Oxy history, with all due respect to the great Jack Kemp.

Point is they want this to die in my opinion, the AD can point to the roster and say see, not enough interest and the president can say see not enough interest.

It seems that way. They have already replaced the O in the middle of the football field with "This Space For Rent."

OxyBob

Andy Collins was the best QB I've seen at the DIII level. Better than Brett Elliott, Danny Ragsdale, and many more that come to mind.

[jknezek]

Protests tend to be rude and disrespectful, otherwise they aren't protests, they are rallies. This one is non-disruptive, peaceful, non-violent, and generates dialogue. As protests go, it is a pretty viable option. As for the marketing, the players frame it as protesting the flag of a society that has social issues. The people who don't like it frame it as a slight to our military. Kind of like "pro-life" and "women's rights", where you stand on the issue allows you to decide what the protest is actually about, instead of asking and listening to the people who are doing the protesting.

If the NFL and the teams decide the players aren't allowed to protest, and that they have the right to decide that, which is definitely disputed based on the labor contract language, then the employers have the right to dictate the players actions. However, the employers have not decided to do that, nor is it clear that the employer/employee contract the NFL has in hand allows them to do that. That is the problem with the word "should" instead of the world "will".

This is a big issue with unionized work forces. Their rights are carefully enumerated in their contracts. For most of us, who I assume are non-unionized white collar workers, we don't have that kind of contract and employers have a lot more leeway.

None of that even touches on the President's actions. By threatening to take government action against the NFL if the owners don't take action against the players, and by the government having leverage in terms of tax breaks and stadium financing, introducing a government angle may legally help the players, as you do have the right to speak against the government. That is a lawsuit I don't want to see government waste money trying to prove, but it is an interesting problem our President has introduced.

The law is a complicated beast.

[badgerwarhawk]

You have to give Trump credit.  He's managed to totally obscure the actual motivation behind the protests and stifle any conversation about the real issues that motivated it to begin with. 

Pat, you can remove this post if you feel it inappropriate but given the conversation above I felt the need to comment.  It will be my last and only comment on the subject here.   

[MonroviaCat]

Protests tend to be rude and disrespectful, otherwise they aren't protests, they are rallies. This one is non-disruptive, peaceful, non-violent, and generates dialogue. As protests go, it is a pretty viable option. As for the marketing, the players frame it as protesting the flag of a society that has social issues. The people who don't like it frame it as a slight to our military. Kind of like "pro-life" and "women's rights", where you stand on the issue allows you to decide what the protest is actually about, instead of asking and listening to the people who are doing the protesting.

If the NFL and the teams decide the players aren't allowed to protest, and that they have the right to decide that, which is definitely disputed based on the labor contract language, then the employers have the right to dictate the players actions. However, the employers have not decided to do that, nor is it clear that the employer/employee contract the NFL has in hand allows them to do that. That is the problem with the word "should" instead of the world "will".

This is a big issue with unionized work forces. Their rights are carefully enumerated in their contracts. For most of us, who I assume are non-unionized white collar workers, we don't have that kind of contract and employers have a lot more leeway.

None of that even touches on the President's actions. By threatening to take government action against the NFL if the owners don't take action against the players, and by the government having leverage in terms of tax breaks and stadium financing, introducing a government angle may legally help the players, as you do have the right to speak against the government. That is a lawsuit I don't want to see government waste money trying to prove, but it is an interesting problem our President has introduced.

The law is a complicated beast.

Fascinating legal take.  +K