FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[olddog]

The weird outlier to this is the University of San Diego as a D1 Non-Scholarship.

In a typical year, they play D2 schools (usually win but don't necessarily dominate), D1 FCS (rarely win, usually dominated), and the odd D1 game like when SDSU plays them, which USD almost never wins.

Otherwise they play in the Pioneer league which is nationwide (CA, IA, FL, CT, KY, IN, NC).  Their travel budget must be ridiculous.

I believe that UMU, UMHB, Top 2-3 WIAC, St. Thomas, and probably Linfield would beat the Toreros in most years.  In fact, I would see USD as being a top 8-20 team annually with some years pushing higher.  They would hammer the SCIAC.

Last season USD, beat Cal Poly in the first round. They have had some success against scholarship programs, the rest of the Pioneer League not so much.
They benefit from very few football teams per capita in CA too...they have some pretty good aid too.
MHB might be close, LF would not beat USD, LF would get boat raced..I have seen them play and know a couple coaches on staff.

[Purple Heys]

The weird outlier to this is the University of San Diego as a D1 Non-Scholarship.

In a typical year, they play D2 schools (usually win but don't necessarily dominate), D1 FCS (rarely win, usually dominated), and the odd D1 game like when SDSU plays them, which USD almost never wins.

Otherwise they play in the Pioneer league which is nationwide (CA, IA, FL, CT, KY, IN, NC).  Their travel budget must be ridiculous.

I believe that UMU, UMHB, Top 2-3 WIAC, St. Thomas, and probably Linfield would beat the Toreros in most years.  In fact, I would see USD as being a top 8-20 team annually with some years pushing higher.  They would hammer the SCIAC.

University of San Diego is private - not public.

Hence the description:  "weird outlier"  Not D3, Not NAIA, not Public D1 FBS...and not exactly D1 FCS although that is where they are slotted.

[Purple Heys]

The weird outlier to this is the University of San Diego as a D1 Non-Scholarship.

In a typical year, they play D2 schools (usually win but don't necessarily dominate), D1 FCS (rarely win, usually dominated), and the odd D1 game like when SDSU plays them, which USD almost never wins.

Otherwise they play in the Pioneer league which is nationwide (CA, IA, FL, CT, KY, IN, NC).  Their travel budget must be ridiculous.

I believe that UMU, UMHB, Top 2-3 WIAC, St. Thomas, and probably Linfield would beat the Toreros in most years.  In fact, I would see USD as being a top 8-20 4-8 team annually with some years pushing higher.  They would hammer the SCIAC.

Last season USD, beat Cal Poly in the first round. They have had some success against scholarship programs, the rest of the Pioneer League not so much.
They benefit from very few football teams per capita in CA too...they have some pretty good aid too.
MHB might be close, LF would not beat USD, LF would get boat raced..I have seen them play and know a couple coaches on staff.

USD them beating an FCS scholarship program is more of an anomaly (Cal Poly beat USD in week 2, 38-16) - last year's Cal Poly team was not one of their better teams against one of the better USD teams in history and that's dating back to Captain Comeback.  My point is that USD may be marginally better than the best D3 teams, but maybe not in any given year.  I have seen them play and it's not all that impressive for what they market themselves as...which is a "D1" program

I have not seen LF play and maybe I got to believing the hype.

[Gray Fox]

In 1982 Oxy beat USD on national TV.  They were DIII at the time.

  https://www.oxy.edu/news/occidental-football-celebrates-20th-anniversary-national-tv-appearance

[RFB]

USD played some SCIAC schools in the 90's. We beat them two times when I was at Redlands.

[Oxy1995]

USD played some SCIAC schools in the 90's. We beat them two times when I was at Redlands.

I played against USD in 1991 and 1992. Lost the first year. Won the second year.

[madzillagd]

Cal Poly SLO
UC Davis

Both have teams.  Not good ones at their level.

http://www.ucdavisaggies.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/ucda-m-footbl-sched.html

http://www.calpolymustangs.com/sports/fball/2017-18/schedule

Dan Hawkins is in his first year back at UCD. I expect them to finally see some D1 success and I think Hawkins will stick around for awhile when they do. Sac State has grabbed the better recruits in recent years because of their high-profile upsets but that's likely to shift to UCD.

[smedindy]

San Diego, like Dayton, was D-3 until they could not be D-3 anymore in football per the NCAA. So that's when the Pioneer League was formed. Those schools didn't want football scholarships so they banded together. I think the travel costs are offset by not having scholarships. It's grown quite a bit from when it was first formed, too.

[D O.C.]

Ahah, you're trolling and I'll bite.

LF would not beat USD,

46    British Columbia    0

20    Chico State    13

12    Portland State    7

35    Portland State    12

34    Portland State    7

34    Portland State    0

16    Chico State    14

40    Portland State    14

34    Chico State    7

55    Portland State    19

6    Chico State    6

39    Portland State    0

42    British Columbia    0

31    Portland State    0

10    Cal Poly SLO    7

14    Humboldt State    20

15    Hawaii    13
     
24    Portland State    0

17    Hawaii    19

What's the point? Playing up, of course.

[Pat Coleman]

If that's a list of Linfield scores from some bygone era, what are we supposed to learn from that in 2017?

[D O.C.]

You asked....62 consecutive winning seasons includes bygone eras?

[smedindy]

That's not a troll:

San Diego is #211 in Massey. #181 out of 254 D-1 and D-1AA teams in the Sagarin Ratings, top in the Pioneer League.

Not world beaters, but they can hold their own (though they did lose big to UC Davis).

Linfield is #325 overall in Massey.

For a baseline, Mt. Union is #245 in Massey.

Based on this (a non-biased algorithm) I do think San Diego would be a 7-10 point favorite.

[D O.C.]

But it would be fun and anytime you take the field anything can happen.
Dago could win by 40.

[olddog]

If that's a list of Linfield scores from some bygone era, what are we supposed to learn from that in 2017?

Thanks you Pat, USD averages about 20 pounds more per linemen more than LF, and a lot more talent. They actually have players in NFL camps almost every year.

[olddog]

In 1982 Oxy beat USD on national TV.  They were DIII at the time.

  https://www.oxy.edu/news/occidental-football-celebrates-20th-anniversary-national-tv-appearance

Due to the NFL strike, and I believe the next year USD got put on probation for providing jobs to players and grants in aid in a matter that was not available to all...funny how starters received more funding than back ups....