FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[D O.C.]

Interesting.
CalCat had been influencing my DIII life for a decade.
(CC... Did you get my PM?)

[MonroviaCat]

my example would be the Stags over PP...

I was raised in Claremont and my observations of both programs goes back to the sixties when the two were know as Pomona College and CMC...Claremont Men's College (thus the Stags). Went to high school with coaches and AD's sons of both schools and was just more impressed on how things were handled at Pomona not that CMC did anything poorly but those that were close to the programs l think would get the difference between the two and Pomona/Pitzer still maintains the same philosophy.  Another program back in the sixties that was interesting was La Verne's with Roland Ortmayer and his unique coaching philosophy...Ortmayer's brand of coaching still considered legendary by those who have followed "small College" football from that era.

https://www.si.com/vault/1989/09/04/120459/a-most-unusual-man-roland-ortmayer-has-been-touching-players-lives-at-division-iii-la-verne-for-four-decades

Thanks for sharing--very interesting.

[CalCat]

Interesting.
CalCat had been influencing my DIII life for a decade.
(CC... Did you get my PM?)

Yes got PM...unfortunately not really shocked !

[MonroviaCat]

Interesting.
CalCat had been influencing my DIII life for a decade.
(CC... Did you get my PM?)

Yes got PM...unfortunately not really shocked !

just more of the same....

[RFB]

my example would be the Stags over PP...

I was raised in Claremont and my observations of both programs goes back to the sixties when the two were know as Pomona College and CMC...Claremont Men's College (thus the Stags). Went to high school with coaches and AD's sons of both schools and was just more impressed on how things were handled at Pomona not that CMC did anything poorly but those that were close to the programs l think would get the difference between the two and Pomona/Pitzer still maintains the same philosophy.  Another program back in the sixties that was interesting was La Verne's with Roland Ortmayer and his unique coaching philosophy...Ortmayer's brand of coaching still considered legendary by those who have followed "small College" football from that era.

Interesting history you have with D3 football, CalCat. Thanks for sharing.

[DFWCrufan]

I'm sorry but will all due respect I have to take an issue with going to other SCIAC organizations for Oxy to learn, I would advise look outside the box, get away from what is the usual and get to the phenomenal.

[Gray Fox]

I'm sorry but will all due respect I have to take an issue with going to other SCIAC organizations for Oxy to learn, I would advise look outside the box, get away from what is the usual and get to the phenomenal.

I don't think the CRU model would work at Oxy, but CMS wins the overall sports award almost every year. They might look at them as well as other schools they recruit against for students that have successful sports programs.

My friends son in Dallas wanted to play baseball.  He went to a camp where many schools presented.  He chose Middlebury.  I have followed their football and sports teams.  They do quite well.

I will be out of town for the UMHB / Chapman game.  I have made it to Belton for the last few years, even before your new stadium.

[DFWCrufan]

I am not alluding to only UMHB, if I were someone wanting to grow my program to a great program I would want to get out of what I am currently in and look at programs outside my bubble I am in. If I want to be better than CMS, why copy CMS, I want to look beyond the place I am. I would want to look at programs that bring in a good number of recruits and how they do that, if my previous season was cancelled because I could not field a team then as a staff I want to go a direction that goes beyond what has been done in the past. I would want to exercise my previous years demons and go a completely different direction.

[Gray Fox]

I am not alluding to only UMHB, if I were someone wanting to grow my program to a great program I would want to get out of what I am currently in and look at programs outside my bubble I am in. If I want to be better than CMS, why copy CMS, I want to look beyond the place I am. I would want to look at programs that bring in a good number of recruits and how they do that, if my previous season was cancelled because I could not field a team then as a staff I want to go a direction that goes beyond what has been done in the past. I would want to exercise my previous years demons and go a completely different direction.

Ideally they would hire DW as a consultant.

[MonroviaCat]

I am not alluding to only UMHB, if I were someone wanting to grow my program to a great program I would want to get out of what I am currently in and look at programs outside my bubble I am in. If I want to be better than CMS, why copy CMS, I want to look beyond the place I am. I would want to look at programs that bring in a good number of recruits and how they do that, if my previous season was cancelled because I could not field a team then as a staff I want to go a direction that goes beyond what has been done in the past. I would want to exercise my previous years demons and go a completely different direction.

but I think Oxy, at this point, would be thrilled to be as good as CMS....

[DFWCrufan]

Well lets play the "what would you do" game, If I were the Oxy boss, I'd hit the road to at least one of the top ten listed teams in the rankings and certainly get time with a program in the brackets, why would I want to waste time, if I am building a program, with those who have not been successful, hence my point to Linfield, a solid program, not having a losing season since freaking what Eisenhower was pres? maybe even grant was pres...That is not a one off....there is something long term there... Maybe a George Fox, why, new challenge...maybe not..but hey... I'd get my leadership to not think small, get their brain out of SCIAC. One thing most of these top programs have is the attitude to be successful, "delivering a pleasant athletic experience" is not a winning attitude, a pleasant experience means that losing is in the vocabulary. as long as you have a good time doing it. Tell me the Cats, or the Tommies don't have a winning attitude. Yeah I like U of Redlands attitude just fine but if I were going to build I need more.
Can't say it's a money thing.. robo tackling dummies...

[MonroviaCat]

Well lets play the "what would you do" game, If I were the Oxy boss, I'd hit the road to at least one of the top ten listed teams in the rankings and certainly get time with a program in the brackets, why would I want to waste time, if I am building a program, with those who have not been successful, hence my point to Linfield, a solid program, not having a losing season since freaking what Eisenhower was pres? maybe even grant was pres...That is not a one off....there is something long term there... Maybe a George Fox, why, new challenge...maybe not..but hey... I'd get my leadership to not think small, get their brain out of SCIAC. One thing most of these top programs have is the attitude to be successful, "delivering a pleasant athletic experience" is not a winning attitude, a pleasant experience means that losing is in the vocabulary. as long as you have a good time doing it. Tell me the Cats, or the Tommies don't have a winning attitude. Yeah I like U of Redlands attitude just fine but if I were going to build I need more.
Can't say it's a money thing.. robo tackling dummies...

i get that and I agree but I also think there is value in seeing how similar programs are making it work (i.e. fielding a team with enough players).  Keep in mind the coach at Oxy is new to the SCIAC so it's not like he is super familiar with how schools in the conference do things.  At a minimum he'd be able to develop a sense of what works and what doesn't in this neck of the woods...but by all means yes—also see how the most successful programs do things.  BTW—Calcat and I are both Linfield guys!

[Purple Heys]

Well lets play the "what would you do" game, If I were the Oxy boss, I'd hit the road to at least one of the top ten listed teams in the rankings and certainly get time with a program in the brackets, why would I want to waste time, if I am building a program, with those who have not been successful, hence my point to Linfield, a solid program, not having a losing season since freaking what Eisenhower was pres? maybe even grant was pres...That is not a one off....there is something long term there... Maybe a George Fox, why, new challenge...maybe not..but hey... I'd get my leadership to not think small, get their brain out of SCIAC. One thing most of these top programs have is the attitude to be successful, "delivering a pleasant athletic experience" is not a winning attitude, a pleasant experience means that losing is in the vocabulary. as long as you have a good time doing it. Tell me the Cats, or the Tommies don't have a winning attitude. Yeah I like U of Redlands attitude just fine but if I were going to build I need more.
Can't say it's a money thing.. robo tackling dummies...

i get that and I agree but I also think there is value in seeing how similar programs are making it work (i.e. fielding a team with enough players).  Keep in mind the coach at Oxy is new to the SCIAC so it’s not like he is super familiar with how schools in the conference do things.  At a minimum he’d be able to develop a sense of what works and what doesn’t in this neck of the woods...but by all means yes—also see how the most successful programs do things.  BTW—Calcat and I are both Linfield guys!

Mimicking good programs is another way of saying following best practices.  That always boils down to hiring good people that know what they are doing, then supporting them to the full extent an administration can.  Some may argue how good DW was, but one can't deny that his relationship with admin broke down and things went off the rails from there.

Anywhere you look where there is sustained success you see an experienced, high performing staff with an admin team that is on the same page.  It's easier said than done.  Generally the best way to gain access to good people is to lure away a talented junior staffer and give them the chance to run their own show.

The big problem at Oxy is the optics.  Why would a talented coach take a flyer on what Oxy "offers" when the steaming pile of manure is right there for them to see?

[RFB]

Well said, Purple Heys.

[RFB]

Hard fought win for Redlands. It's never easy against Cal Lutheran, but the defense was lights out after giving up the big play TD to open the game. A 7-2 season is a lot to be proud of, but this program is judged by SCIAC championships, so time to get after it as the off season work begins right now. Go Dawgs!