FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Purple Heys]

Berdoo style.

The good old days cruising E Street...   

[DFWCrufan]

I was a Market Street cruiser myself in Riverside, first ticket I got in my Firebird, my lights were not bright enough.. Huh? What???

[Fannosaurus Rex]

Berdoo style.

The good old days cruising E Street...   

How close did that put you to the Hell's Angels' club house?

[RFB]

I clicked through probably 6 different games today to see if any of the teams looked like UMHB and you know what? Not one of the teams was in the same universe as UMHB in terms of size, speed, and depth.

You know who the teams looked like? They looked like Chapman at the talent level, actually some of them looked much slower as a team.

The truth is that teams like UMHB, Linfield, and a few others are the creme of D3, and the SCIAC will just about always get the short end of the stick when it comes to the 1st round of the playoffs.

[umhb2001]

I clicked through probably 6 different games today to see if any of the teams looked like UMHB and you know what? Not one of the teams was in the same universe as UMHB in terms of size, speed, and depth.

You know who the teams looked like? They looked like Chapman at the talent level, actually some of them looked much slower as a team.

The truth is that teams like UMHB, Linfield, and a few others are the creme of D3, and the SCIAC will just about always get the short end of the stick when it comes to the 1st round of the playoffs.

Chapman's QB was a stud. Very elusive and capable. Your punter was amazing as well. What year is he? He deserves a look from NFL scouts.

As far as talent level goes, Chapman has a lot of talent to choose from in California. They just need to find them. Congrats to Chapman on the great season. Nothing to hang your head about today. You DID play the reigning champs and #1 team in the nation.

[RFB]

I clicked through probably 6 different games today to see if any of the teams looked like UMHB and you know what? Not one of the teams was in the same universe as UMHB in terms of size, speed, and depth.

You know who the teams looked like? They looked like Chapman at the talent level, actually some of them looked much slower as a team.

The truth is that teams like UMHB, Linfield, and a few others are the creme of D3, and the SCIAC will just about always get the short end of the stick when it comes to the 1st round of the playoffs.

Chapman's QB was a stud. Very elusive and capable. Your punter was amazing as well. What year is he? He deserves a look from NFL scouts.

As far as talent level goes, Chapman has a lot of talent to choose from in California. They just need to find them. Congrats to Chapman on the great season. Nothing to hang your head about today. You DID play the reigning champs and #1 team in the nation.

I'm a Redlands supporter, could care less about Chapman. Just sick of the SCIAC having to go to Belton or McMinville. Congrats to your Crusaders though, heck of a team.

[OCguy]

I think the 80% acceptance rate at UMHB allowed them to compete with athletes that just wouldn't cut it at UofR or CU. either way. Very proud of the panthers and wish the Cru the best of the luck the rest of the way!

[smedindy]

I think the 80% acceptance rate at UMHB allowed them to compete with athletes that just wouldn't cut it at UofR or CU. either way. Very proud of the panthers and wish the Cru the best of the luck the rest of the way!

They're going for a different kind of student and filling a different need. D-3 has all kinds of academic flavors.

High acceptance rates don't help Howard Payne win football games!!!

[D O.C.]

Let's see some football player graduation rates.

olddog...Chapman's 6-50 is > than Linfield's 27-66?

[DFWCrufan]

i gotta ask this...soooooo A high acceptance rate equals winning? lets just take the top 25 out of this equation, ok what about the rest of the division? Thats what 224 programs out there that the great majority never reach the top 25 or even close, is that a acceptance rate issue? Or is it a ideal of a program that has a seriousness to its intentions? Why is it a certain set of programs swirling in the top 25 universe most of the time? Whitewater was a dominate name, the last two seasons, not so much so what changed? I would assume the same acceptance rates.
So the old acceptance rates excuse does not fit, maybe it's recruiting? Maybe it's targeted recruiting rather then a Ya'll come play football recruiting scheme that hopes players with talent come. Maybe it's an attitude that as a program we win our games and don't accept loss rather than well go out and have a good experience and if you loose then well, here's your participation trophy it's ok, your a good tryer.
This is why I had suggested for the Oxy program to get out of the SCIAC universe, they have an opportunity, a reset, break the SCIAC mold and go big, that is the only way otherwise just pick your mediocre to lower then mediocre self up and be the bottom half of the conference schedule.
But lets talk about UMHB, my senior child is there right now, and from what I experience there is a seriousness on campus, not just fooltball but academically as well, I would not classify it as a football mill (if there is such a thing in DIII) So if your accepted you still have to have the grades, believe me there are no football subs (students who take test for players and such)
So to say acceptance rates make the program successful is a cop out as I see it. Again, perhaps it is a problem not of acceptance, but recruitment. Maybe? Can't draw players with talent then your not going to be as successful?

[smedindy]

I worked at a competitive admissions school, and now work at a state school with high acceptance.

It's not the acceptance rate that makes a college a good college - it's the teaching and learning. The CWU students my wife and I deal with are fine scholars and really embrace the fact that they are lucky to be in college (we recruit quite a few first generation and underserved populations).

I'd rather have a kid that has to work hard and appreciates his chance at an education than a kid that has to go to his safety (or second safety) school because Mom and Dad have money.

[Purple Heys]

The college game, at all levels, is a coaches game.  The better teams have better coaches with a better plan and the ability to execute their plan.  Plan = organization, staff, recruiting, training, motivation, game-planning.

Good coaches seldom align themselves with places where the administrative support is lacking.

Oxy is a text book example, once DW was run out, you see how much influence the coach, or the lack of the right one, has on the fate of a football team.

[OCguy]

This seems to have struck a nerve so let me clarify. The ability to compete at the level of UMHB and other power house schools is a large combination of things. One of them is the ability to go out and recruit kids with certainty of getting them in. Chapman, and other SCIAC schools can not do that, they have to wait and see if the kids that they want get in. This leaves Chapman and other SCIAC schools in a tough spot. Yes, coaching is a big part of the equation but not all of it.
Having an 80% acceptance rate does not determine how smart the students are that go to that particular institution. It simply gives the coaches the freedom to go out and recruit students from everywhere even if their SAT score is a little lower or their GPA isn't as high and have some level of certainty that they can still get in. This was not intended to be a knock to the students or Alumni that went there but more of pointing out a benefit that UMHB has over its Western competition.

On a separate note, making the distinction that Chapman students and other SCIAC students don't work hard or are not humble enough to appreciate their position is absurd. Many of the SCIAC grads that i have met understand that their education was a blessing and they haven't taken any of it for granted.

[olddog]

I clicked through probably 6 different games today to see if any of the teams looked like UMHB and you know what? Not one of the teams was in the same universe as UMHB in terms of size, speed, and depth.

You know who the teams looked like? They looked like Chapman at the talent level, actually some of them looked much slower as a team.

The truth is that teams like UMHB, Linfield, and a few others are the creme of D3, and the SCIAC will just about always get the short end of the stick when it comes to the 1st round of the playoffs.

Chapman's QB was a stud. Very elusive and capable. Your punter was amazing as well. What year is he? He deserves a look from NFL scouts.

As far as talent level goes, Chapman has a lot of talent to choose from in California. They just need to find them. Congrats to Chapman on the great season. Nothing to hang your head about today. You DID play the reigning champs and #1 team in the nation.

UMHB,

SCIAC schools and MHB are night and day in terms of admissions and most importantly net cost, I have posted on this topic before. UR/Chapman cost all in are in the mid 60's.. Sure CA has great athletes but many can not afford to come to SCIAC schools. Admission standards are higher than most D3 -Texas schools. Lastly is it obvious MHB has a different commitment to football. Day in and day out I would always expect Texas to be better just given the economic admissions facts and how much more football is in Texas.

[olddog]

Let's see some football player graduation rates.

olddog...Chapman's 6-50 is > than Linfield's 27-66?

Last 10 years, 100% per  player that has stayed in Maynard's program through his senior year. It is an incredible fact....How about Linfield ? DOC I will exclude you from the calc.