FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[PitDawg]

Go Pitzer.... PP Defense steps up to the large task... PP 24 Oxy17

[Gray Fox]

I don't think anyone has mentioned that CLU got ONE vote on the coaches poll.

[Browneagle64]

Pitdawg----How in the world would you think that Pitzer defense steps up. Have you seen their stats on defense. It looks like they like to give up easy points. Their D.B.s are horrible and their D.L. always suck. How in the world would they be able to pull off strong defense if they couldn't even do that on a average Levern team at the beginning of the year. 

Oxy's Defense sets the tone for the tigers Offense. The game is handed over to Oxy's 2nd team Offense and Defense by the beginning of the 4th quarter. And Pitdawg soon understands why he shouldn't have made a comment about pitzer's defense actually doing something. 

[DawgHeaven]

Ask Trinity about stepping up....   Oxy should roll, but Trinity should have too.  Otherwise, Elliot deserves to be mentioned in the fan based vote for heisman.  I think the Oxy fans are just jealous that Collins is not on that list.  One last thing, hypothetically, if the Regals win out, they will not beat the Bulldogs, do they get a pool B birth with their only loss to OxyCollins?

[scandihoovian]

Ask Trinity about stepping up....   Oxy should roll, but Trinity should have too.  Otherwise, Elliot deserves to be mentioned in the fan based vote for heisman.  I think the Oxy fans are just jealous that Collins is not on that list.  One last thing, hypothetically, if the Regals win out, they will not beat the Bulldogs, do they get a pool B birth with their only loss to OxyCollins?

Good point about Trinity, and thanks for running a little smack about Cal Lu, I was starting to worry that Bulldog Nation was going a little soft    The game won't be nearly as fun without at least a little back and forth...

As for the playoffs, I think the Kingsmen have an outside chance if they run the table - but they need some teams in other conferences (like Whitworth in the NWC and Concordia & St. John's in the MIAC) to lose unexpectedly.

[xfactor82]

The AFCA coaches poll holds a lot more weight than this D3Football.com poll. 

Oh yeah, right. Just ask Mount Union, since they're behind Delaware Valley in the vaunted AFCA standings ... err, rankings.

Since you are fixated on last year's scores as a measurement for this year, try this one:

Linfield 28, Mary Hardin-Baylor 21; Mary Hardin-Baylor 38, Mount Union 35
Linfield 52, Rowan 0; Rowan 56, Delaware Valley 7

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mount Union lose to a #20-ranked team last week?  They are fortunate to remain in the top 10 in either poll.  Of course, the D3Football.com voters are blinded by their now-expired regular season winning streak.  Others seem critical that I look to last year's scores to aid in rankings -- at least I'm not going back over a period of 5 years and basing my judgments on past teams with players that have long since left the school.

The D3Football.com poll always undervalues SCIAC teams... it was true in 2001 when a strong Oxy team was largely ignored by these esteemed voters, and it's true today.

[paohca]

Elliot of linfield for Heisman Trophy ----what a joke! He,s throwing tds against teams linfield has played that have combined records of 17 wins and 36 losses thru 7 weeks of play. Hardly a Heisman candidate!!!

[Browneagle64]

Scandi--- Yeah,I agree with you. It seems like The Redland nation just took a break inside their liitle puppy house and haven't said much about this weekends big game between your school. I would have expected them being more alert and ready for the game.  In my opinion i think this game will be won in the last quater. However, I fill that Cal Lu will win this one based on their resilency and their attitude to stay on top. Both teams have great O-lines and D-lines. But who will win the battle for the trenches to keep the team alive?? As for Redlands, I hope that they can make this game competitive as they did last week. Only time and their long bus trip there will only tell.

Here's my prediction for this game. Mudd bowl 2005 at regel stadium under cold rain and wind. Sloppy conditions. Cal lu wins with its series on offense with a score of 21-14.  Dawgs never wake up after the third quater..

I hope to see that Cal Lu gets invited into the pool B. But that seems like a long shot for now. Who knows

[downtown48]

 

The D3Football.com poll always undervalues SCIAC teams...

Save it...I'm thinking OXY didn't go in 2001 after their IMPRESSIVE 3 point squeaker the last week of the season to 0-9 and now defunct Lewis and Clark failed to impress the NCAA.  Not to mention that the SCIAC hadn't won a playoff game in YEARS before last year.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mount Union lose to a #20-ranked team last week?  They are fortunate to remain in the top 10 in either poll...at least I'm not going back over a period of 5 years and basing my judgments on past teams with players that have long since left the school.

Seems to me Mount lost on a last second play in the national semi-finals, which is more than I can say about the trouncing that you took in McMinnville.  I'm thinking a lot of those guys are back.  Just like Linfield, they don't rebuild, they reload. 

See you in McMinnville in about a month!!

RFB, you gotta make sure your boys get it done next year!

[DawgHeaven]

For the Oxy fans who have just appeared hear in the last ten months.  The 2001 team was nothing special.  The only team out the SCIAC not to get any respect is the 99 Redlands team who trounced everyone after getting demolished by Linfield, fumbles  or not.  They were up on defending national champ APU 24-0.  Respect is earned by beating good oppenents.  Redlands has not done that since La Verne in 99.  IF the winner of the SCIAC goes out and wins two playoff games again than maybe, but I feel that if the team has to travel to unkind situations, outdoors in hostile climates, they will lose.
  As far as the arguement about last years Oxy team, the Bulldogs of 2002 would have surprised some people if they played at home and then got to play in a dome instead of 20 degree weather.

[Toph]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mount Union lose to a #20-ranked team last week?  They are fortunate to remain in the top 10 in either poll.

This is a joke...right?  It's not that voters are blinded by an extinct winning streak, it's that Mount Union was and remains one of the best teams in the country.  To have one loss with the level of competition in the OAC week in and week out, and to be as dominant as they have been (this season) is something that you clearly don't understand or appreciate.  Before you get your boxers in a twist, I'm not a Mount fan, so don't come at me with that. 

[rbaikie]

I wouldn't even bring up the streak in the ranking -

My take on that post is that Mt Union lost to the 20th ranked team - that means on that day, Mt Union was not as good as #20. When a higher ranked team is beaten by a lower ranked team, it provides ammunition that the lower ranked team should move up and the higher ranked team move down. I feel the rankings should reflect, at least somewhat, what migh happen if two teams meet - the higher ranked team should win, on average, in most cases.


I will admit that I have not seen either team play, nor do I really follow them. Just in general, seeing ONU move up like they did, I think is justified. I would question, at least on face value, why Mt. Union didn't fall further.

Just my opinion which as all of you know - everybody has one.....

[downtown48]

I think the rationale is that Mount would probably beat ONU 9 out of 10 times with the teams current rosters and the voters think that despite having a bad day once out of their last 110 they are still a fairly elite division 3 squad.

[rbaikie]

I can accept that -

so based on the best knowledge, overall Mt. Union is still a better team than ONU.

Rankings. for the most part, are based on whatever info there is plus some gut feel or intuition. They don't always make sense to everyone.

[downtown48]

You're right, rankings are just that, someone's opinion...that's what's great about D3, we'll find out who deserves their ranking in about a month!