FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Sabretooth Tiger]

I think this might Oxy's last year playing Colorado College, not positive on that but its what I have heard.  RFB, as I have said before, speaking as a former player, we want to play better teams.  I remember after we went 7-2 in '03 we asked the coaches to play someone else other than LC and CC in the upcoming season.  They said that due to the contracts we couldnt and that the schedule was set.  But they did tell us that if we wanted to play better teams, then we should work harder and make the playoffs because there are nothing but good teams in the playoffs.  Im sure I dont have to remind you but I will....... since then we are 12-0 in SCIAC, even with playing how did you put it, weak links like LC and CC.

Yes and Oxy got absolutely embarrased last year at Linfield. I would think that playing better non-conference games would help them better prepare for the playoffs and help close the gaps some. If Oxy would have got sent to Linfield in 2004 as well it would have been a very quick exit as well. Redlands has never been stomped in the playoffs and that has been four appearances as the highest seed playing on the road against the #1 seed. Oxy has Redlands to thank for getting a home game and lower seed in the 2004 playoffs. Redlands in those years were playoff competative due to playing better teams in non-conference.

I, for one, never felt the least bit "embarrassed" about Oxy's performance at Linfield . . .

Let's see, conference champs two years in a row, 2 and 2 in NCAA playoffs = Oxy Tigers
Third place in SCIAC w/ no NCAA playoff wins and sitting at home while Oxy takes the field against Linfield = Redlands Bulldogs

hmmmm . . . Mighty Tigers or Whimpering Puppies?

Enjoy the training crate much? 

[RFB]

OxySnob,

Good to see you're alive. Thanks for pointing out Oxy's lack of b*lls.

[downtown48]

I'd have to agree with RFB on this one.  Playing good teams opens your eyes to where you need to be come playoff time.  Especially since the SCIWHAC has the auto bid.  Doesn't do much good to play cupcakes all year and then get your doors blown off by the first team that pushes back.  As far as not beating a NWC team...at least they had the stones to step on the field against the best teams in the conference.  As far as "being locked into contracts"...L&C and CC have ALWAYS been bad so you knew what you were getting when you signed the deal. 

And Redlands did lay the groundwork for home playoff games in '04'.  If Willamette hadn't gotten their asses blown up the week prior by Linfield it might have been another one and done for the tigers...

[rockcat]

bob,

how long were you lurking?  It sounds like your cupcake justification is based in the fear of losing a few non-conference games?

[rockcat]

48 is right.  Oxy should be 10-0 this year and never even trail in a game if they are really a top 10 team.  How much prep is that for the playoffs?

[RFB]

downtown48 said:

>>Doesn't do much good to play cupcakes all year and then get your doors blown off by the first team that pushes back.<<

Oh, look, it's RFB's public defender. Nice to see RFB got some court-appointed, if incompetent, counsel.

Oxy won two playoff games in 2004 before they lost to Linfield. I guess those games didn't count. Yes, Oxy lost to Linfield the past two years. Linfield was the better team both times. There, now do you feel better?


OxyBob

The truth hurts.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

48 is right.  Oxy should be 10-0 this year and never even trail in a game if they are really a top 10 team.  How much prep is that for the playoffs?

Silly me, I thought that the point was to get to the playoffs . . .

You can harp all you want on Oxy's non-conference schedule and praise Redlands up the wazoo . . .

But the plain, simple, undeniable fact of the matter is that Oxy has made it to the dance the last two years and Redlands has not . . . and the only SCIAC wins on the D3 front page in playoff records belong to Oxy . . . not Redlands . . .   

Now that's the truth . . . those are the facts . . .

I'll take Oxy's results over Redlands' any day . . . but maybe that's just me . . . 

[RFB]

48 is right.  Oxy should be 10-0 this year and never even trail in a game if they are really a top 10 team.  How much prep is that for the playoffs?

Silly me, I thought that the point was to get to the playoffs . . .

You can harp all you want on Oxy's non-conference schedule and praise Redlands up the wazoo . . .

But the plain, simple, undenidable fact of the matter is that Oxy has made it to the dance and Redlands has not . . .

Now that's the truth . . . those are the facts . . .

I'll take Oxy's results over Redlands' any day . . . but maybe that's just me . . . 

I would rather not make the dance then give up 60+ and get the piss beat out of you. Redlands has been down the last two years and has not deserved to go to the playoffs. And Oxy could barely beat an average Redlands team. Pretty scary to think when Redlands gets back to a real level of winning football the program in known for.

[downtown48]

You're a bit better than them now but all things are cyclical unless you're talking Linfield vs. the SCIAC or Linfield winning seasons vs Oxy winning seasons...Would you take the 03,02,00,99 results vs. Redlands too, wasn't too long ago...neither was a 2-7 season...easy tiger, you're not world beaters...you're SCIAC(for now) and bottom feeder beaters...

[rockcat]

48 is right.  Oxy should be 10-0 this year and never even trail in a game if they are really a top 10 team.  How much prep is that for the playoffs?

Silly me, I thought that the point was to get to the playoffs . . .

You can harp all you want on Oxy's non-conference schedule and praise Redlands up the wazoo . . .

But the plain, simple, undeniable fact of the matter is that Oxy has made it to the dance the last two years and Redlands has not . . . and the only SCIAC wins on the D3 front page in playoff records belong to Oxy . . . not Redlands . . .   

Now that's the truth . . . those are the facts . . .

I'll take Oxy's results over Redlands' any day . . . but maybe that's just me . . . 

Of course the point is to get to the playoffs.  My point is that I would think a 9-1 team that has played a really tough, close game but lost is better prepared for a playoff game than a 10-0 team that hasn't been pushed at all.

[dawgs go deep]

Boys....Boys.......   now as we all know there are 2 arguments to the issue of preseason scheduling.

Redlands feels that they should try to play top teams to get ready for the season and possibly the playoffs.  That is a good, solid position.  However, if you lose 2 of the 3 preseason games, take second place in the SCIAC, the strength of schedule argument helps if the 2 lossses were close ones to top teams.  On the other hand if you get blown out....it certainly doenst help your chances.

Oxy might want to play better teams but they havent.  Argue the fact all you want they play who they play.  Oxy should easily beat these teams and from a playoff standpoint if they win the SCIAC it wont hurt.  However, if they finish second, the strength of schedule argument might keep them out of the playoffs.

Here is a possibility that no one has mentioned, Redlands beats Oxy, Oxy beats CLU and CLU beats Redlands, a three way tie......I guess there are tie breakers to determine who gets first place, but what about second and the possibility of the playoffs?  A weak preseason might hurt Oxy in that scenario.

So I guess the only way to determine which thought process is best is to wait and see who beats who during the regular season.  


And by the way Oxy fans........contracts are broken for many reasons every day, you Oxy atorneys should know that!

[Eye of da TIGER]

Haha RFB you are killing me..... I would have loved to see Redlands play those Linfield teams, im sure the result would have been the same as Oxy's.  Elliot is in the NFL and the scary thing is, i dont even consider him the reason why we lost those games so bad.  If you watch the film all he really had to do was throw the ball deep.  Linfield WR's were the real problem for our Defense.  I dont understand how you guys are making such a huge argument over who Oxy plays in preseason.  Get over it, there is nothing we can do about it right now!! Nobody made claims that Oxy is world beaters, Oxy is a program that is on the rise and our recent success is a good start to get us back to where they were in the 80's, when they frequently won championships.  And RFB you call your Redlands teams that we recently beat average, well when I was a freshman in '02 our team was so called "average" ending the season 5-4, it took overtime to beat us!

[Sabretooth Tiger]

RFB writes: "I would rather not make the dance then give up 60+ and get the piss beat out of you."

What a great way to sum up the difference between Redlands and Oxy.

[Rock]

RFB

Your getting real close to some good bulletin board material.
Keep trying.

[RFB]

RFB writes: "I would rather not make the dance then give up 60+ and get the piss beat out of you."

What a great way to sum up the difference between Redlands and Oxy.

Redlands has never given up 60+ in the playoffs that I know of. I just think that if you give up that much then you're overwhelmed and pretty much don't belong in the playoffs. I have clealy stated that the last two Redlands teams were average at best. They clearly did not belong in the playoffs. The four Redlands teams that have went in the Maynard era clearly belonged with out a doubt.