FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[tigersports]

I'm not seeing the justification for the CMS love here.  I did not do the CMS-Oxy game but it looked for all intents and purposes like one of the many over-at-halftime blowouts that Oxy has had during the Collins era.  CMS is nowhere close to the class of CalLu or Oxy, so any talk of 3-way ties and that kind of stuff is ludicrous to my mind.  They got shut out by mediocre-at-best UPS (a team that beat SCIAC dregs ULV and WC by a TD each) and manhandled by Oxy.  The Chapman win was a good one and a bit perplexing, especially since Chapman beat UOR.  Nonetheless, if CMS can't score against UPS, I shudder to think what will happen against UOR.  I'm not hatin' on CMS (really) I just don't see any justification to talk about them contending for the title this year.

[tigersports]

Pat, If Cal Lu wins out and Oxy, say, loses a toughie at Cal Lu but otherwise wins out, can you see a scenario where the two face off in the playoffs?

Also, does anyone know what happens if CalLu wins out except for @UOR, Oxy wins all but the CalLu game and UOR wins out, leaving the dreaded "unwieldy tie."    non-conference record?  Penalty kicks?

[OXY Oswald]

Penalty kicks?

HAHA 

[Pat Coleman]

There's always a scenario where two teams can face off in the playoffs. But do you mean in the first round?

Cal Lutheran needs the Oxy game to be competitive, I would think. I don't see what's different than last year. CLU has the lowest Quality of Wins rating of any regionally unbeaten team (granted, five weeks left).

They could be rematched in the first round but there could be two NWC teams in as well, and the first-round scenario posited already of SCIAC runner-up at NWC champ/NWC runner-up at SCIAC champ is very possible.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Pat, If Cal Lu wins out and Oxy, say, loses a toughie at Cal Lu but otherwise wins out, can you see a scenario where the two face off in the playoffs?

Also, does anyone know what happens if CalLu wins out except for @UOR, Oxy wins all but the CalLu game and UOR wins out, leaving the dreaded "unwieldy tie."    non-conference record?  Penalty kicks?

In true work avoidance mode, let me offer an utterly speculative guess at the answer, undoubtedly to be slammed by Pat for my ignorance soon . . .  

In event of the (unlikely imho) three way scenario above:

Cal Lu takes SCIAC based on the head to head over Oxy.
Oxy is in the hunt for a pool C bid based on national ranking, though if Cal Lu losses to Redlands the quality of win scores for both Cal Lu and Oxy tumble big time which probably kills any hope of a pool C to the SCIAC runner up.

If Cal Lu wins out with a close win over Oxy, then Cal Lu gets the automatic bid and Oxy is a strong candidate for a pool C.

Strong liklihood of Whitworth and Linfield getting pool B's if Linfield beats Whitworth.

So we end up w/ SCIAC v. NWC matchups in round one (one played north, one south), with the winners meeting in round two in an all left coast first two round, with the survivor meeting the survivor of the West (East) playoffs.

howz that for some ignorance . . . or has the blind squirrel found an acorn?

tooth

[edit:  damn, Pat's just too fast]

[tigersports]

Pat, how naive to think that NCAA would have both teams travel if two teams from both NWC and SCIAC make it.

[Pat Coleman]

Let's just say I'm hoping.

[dawg gone it]

To go back to the dead horse beaten topic of preseason schedules...... CLU looses to Oxy and doesnt get into the playoffs despite only 2 losses in two years(assuming for argument sake only they beat UR)

Why would it be any different if Oxy looses to CLU...why should they get int the playoffs with the weak preseason schedule they played?

Maybe a preseason should be more balanced so a 2nd place SCIAC team has a chance to get in with one or maybe even two losses.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

To go back to the dead horse beaten topic of preseason schedules...... CLU looses to Oxy and doesnt get into the playoffs despite only 2 losses in two years(assuming for argument sake only they beat UR)

Why would it be any different if Oxy looses to CLU...why should they get int the playoffs with the weak preseason schedule they played?

Maybe a preseason should be more balanced so a 2nd place SCIAC team has a chance to get in with one or maybe even two losses.

DGI,

Little testy are we?

The difference is Oxy's performance over the past two seasons and current ranking.  A loss would hurt, but not as bad as Cal Lu which hasn't built up any creds.  You have to remember that Oxy is still helmed by QB Andy Collins who took the Tigers to the West Regional Finals 2 years ago and to the first round last year, where the Tigers both times stopped by a monster Linfield squad.  Thus, the pure speculation would be that Oxy would be more likely to get a pool C shot with a loss to Cal Lu than if the situation is reversed. 

that's why

[dawg gone it]

Im not testy......from a logical perspective I just dont see the difference between the two.


Past performance might have something to do with preseason rankings but why should it have an influence on post season bids?  Last years Oxy team isnt this years Oxy team and the powers that be sould evaluate this years team by this years performance, schedule, etc.  ........the last two years records and performance are...as we say in the leagal profession...irrelevant.

[Pat Coleman]

It doesn't have any affect on postseason bids. The criteria are fairly well established and "history" is not one of them.

[dawg gone it]

So Pat, assume CLU beats Oxy, and that is Oxy's only loss...does Oxy make the playoffs?  If they do, why not CLU if Oxy is their only loss?  I dont see much difference between their preseason schedules.

[Pat Coleman]

Well, the numbers are a little different at the moment. Occidental's Quality of Wins index is 9.750 and Cal Lutheran's is 8.500. You might not think there's a difference but PLU and Willamette are each 1-4 in-region while Colorado College is actually 3-2 right now and can't finish any worse than 3-4 in-region.

Read up on the Quality of Wins index. There's a link on the front page.

[dawg gone it]

It seems like a very insignificnt difference and aren't Willamette and PLU better than Colorado College?  Records are decieving.....(spoken like a true dawg fan)....

[scandihoovian]

Based on last year's experience it would seem that Linfield would need to lose to Whitworth and maybe to one other team before the SCIAC got two teams in (a set of events that are improbable at best).  Outside of that maybe the Iowa schools could all go real mediocre except for a clear cut conference champion, giving the NCAA an opening to take two schools each from the SCIAC and NWC and save travel $$$.

That said, I will conclude with obvious but true cliche: There's a whole lot of football left to be played...