FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[dawg gone it]

Saw the UR-CMS game...NO disrespect intended by this post.  First, CLU is getting praise as to how good they are and they get beat by CMS??....... I understand the any given day theory...but....sorry ECS, CMS  is at best an average team and if they beat CLU..then I've really got to wonder about how good they really are.

Now let me explain what I mean.  The score in the UR-CMS game was close, very close until about midway inthe fourth quarter.  Once again UR missed several scoring opportunites in the first three quarters.  The game really should have been over about half way through the third quarter.  The UR defense was outstanding again and kept CMS  at bay the entire game...guess what hurt the dawgs? you got it turnovers.

CMS played hard the entire game and should be congratulated for their effort and they almost pulled out a victory. For the dawgs the rb, #20 had another outstanding game.  He runs hard straight ahead and has good speed to the outside.  The Foreman kid looked great on his 3-4 carries.  He is going to be a stud.   If UR could get their offese to be consistent and balanced , they would be a playoff caliber team.  They are not that far off.  

I just dont see how CMS could beat CLU because the CMS  offense isnt that strong.  Their rb#9 is a tough kid and ran hard.  However, when you shut down the run......they cant pass.   (As I was posting this I saw ECS's post, I did not know that the starting qb didnt play.)
 
All I can figure is that the CLU defense must not be that strong.  

Congrat so the Staggs on a hard fought game and good luck the rest of the way.  

GO DAWGS......dawg gone it.

[Tom Brady]

Sorry DGI, but I am not a big fan of that last post.  If you are saying Cal Lu isn't all that great because they lost to CMS, on the road, by a 42 yard fg by a kid that was 0-fer the year, in double overtime, and Redlands beat the same team then obviously Redlands is a better team.  If thats not what you were hinting at, well then I misunderstood.  Here could be a little something to chew on then.

Chapman 13
Redlands 7

7 Points vs. Chapman.  Holy crap that must mean Cal Lu will beat Redlands 31-6 .
The Cal Lu offense rolled up at least 420 yards against Chapman.  Redlands, well they put up a pretty impressive 146 yards.  Hmmmmmm, that must mean CLU will out-gain UR about 749 to 200

Now I am giving you a hard time here and its all meant in good fun but you know how these things go.  I am sure it will be a great game when Cal Lu follows the smog and lands in Redlands.  Before we worry about that game, I believe we have some other team coming into Thousand Oaks this weekend
Hope there is a great crowd like yesterday.

[dawg gone it]

Whoa...Tommy...chill dude.

Honestly, dont understand how CMS could have beat CLU.... but as I posted, I didnt know that they were playing with the second team qb.  That really changes the complexion of any  team, unless there isnt a big difference between nuber one and two. Acording to ECS, apparently there is.  I cant help but think that CLU  must have overlooked the Saggs to some degree.

While the dawgs cannot look forward to the CLU game, I can.  Right now it appears that CLU has the better offense and UR  the better defense.  UR is going to have to more than 2 td's on the board in order to win the game.  They cant turn the ball over and must take advantage of scoring opportunities when they arise.  If not well, I'm afraid they come up short.  On the other hand, CLU will be facing a defense that is the best they have seen this year and the dawgs, assuming they beat Whittier and LV, will need the game to fnish above .500 and continue to build for next year. 

We talked adnausium about preseason schedules, play weak or play strong, and I think CLU would beneift from maybe pciking up the degree of difficulty in their preseason schedule.

The UR-CMS game was packed on the home side and you could sense the team fighting back to gain respectibility.  The fan and parent support is tremendous.  The dawgs should be thankful they such a great following and support.  I think they are really trying to build momentum for next year.  Anyone who has followed them knows all they have to do is eliminate turnovers and ....well without the woulda, coulda shoulda's, would be in a different position than they are.  I admire the effort and team spirit I see going on on the sidelines.  That comes from them first of all, liking each other and secondly, from a great coaching staff that has maintianed the integrity of the program despite starting out 0-4.  They should also be congradulated.  Lesser teams would have folded their tents.

Looking forward to the game .....trying to put together that tailgate I keep promising.

[dawg gone it]

Tom,

The Chapman game was strange to say the least.  UR was and is clearly the better team in my opinion. The dawgs ran and ran the ball and almost never passed until the game was almost over. I dont know why nor am I quetioning the strategy.   I think the dawgs had 5 fumbles that game turning the ball over, fortunatly, the defense held.  However, those fumbles took away many scoring opportunities. 

For me, being from the CLU  area makes this one fun but a very tough game.  Looking forward to it.

[dawg gone it]

Here is a NWC posters analysis of the playoff picture.  Looks pretty accurateto me unless ClU beats Oxy.

Western Region Playoff Predictions

Having studied the West region teams for the past few weeks, the playoffs are definitely taking shape.    Here are my predictions of the NCAA  West seedings:

1.   UW - Whitewater:    So far, no one has come close to them, and they appear to be getting better.    Will have three home playoff games, at least.    Should finish 10-0

2.   St. John's:  Still unbeaten.  Have looked vulnerable at times.    But, they are St. John's.   Likely to have two home playoff games.    Should finish 10-0

3.   Occidental:   Also, still unbeaten.  Rolling over everybody so far.   Likely to have one home playoff game.    Should finish 9-0

4.    Central:    Unbeaten, but has not overwhelmed most teams.   Tough league though.    One home playoff game.    Should finish 10-0

Next four: (alphabetical order).    None of these teams will likely have a home playoff game.   Makes it tough to go far.

Linfield:    Getting better every week.   Can be a real spoiler.    Appears capable of  contending  with the above teams.    But, must beat Whitworth to even make the playoffs.   Should finish 7-2

St. Norbert:    Scores lots of points; gives up some, too.    From a weaker league.   Should finish 10-0

U.W. - LaCrosse:   Good team; tough league.    Should finish 8-1

Whitworth:   If they beat Linfield, they could take the #4 seed away from Central.     Should make the playoffs even with a loss to Linfield.    Should finish 9-1


Playoff games:

1st round:
      1.   St. Norbert at UW - Whitewater.    Winner plays next game winner.

      2.   Linfield at Central

      3.   U.W. - LaCrosse at St. John's.   Winner plays next game winner.

      4.   Whitworth at Occidental.

Linfield and Whitworth could easily be flipped here.    This assumes Linfield beats Whitworth.     Of course, this is all academic if any of these 8 teams lose and/or Whitworth beats Linfield.

It is hard to imagine that the NWC could have no playoff games at home.  Yet, if Linfield beats Whitworth, that is the most likely result.   It would be hard for the NCAA to give Linfield a home game with two losses, when there would be 5 unbeaten teams in the West.

Yet, the way this Linfield team is now playing, they could still surprise some other teams in the playoffs.   Of course, the Wildcats must win  three more league games, including Whitworth.

Just food for thought and discussion.

GO CATS! GO!



So, what happens if the SCIAC ends in a three way tie???  Where can we find the tie breaking system to determine who goes and who doesnt?

[Tom Brady]

DGI-  I was just giving you a hard time

I dont see there being any way to have a 3-way tie.  I assume you are figuring Oxy, CLU and UR being the 3 teams but one of those teams will have gone down twice. 
CLU over Oxy and UR= Redlands w/ 2 losses, Oxy w/ 1
Oxy wins out= CLU w/ 2 losses (at least)
UR wins out= Even if they do and Oxy beats CLU, Oxy still has the tie-breaker with Redlands.
Do you see where this is going?  I think things will get a whole lot easier this weekend after the CLU/OXY game.  I hope its a good one.....and I can make it.

[scandihoovian]

Whoa...Tommy...chill dude.

Honestly, dont understand how CMS could have beat CLU.... but as I posted, I didnt know that they were playing with the second team qb.  That really changes the complexion of any  team, unless there isnt a big difference between nuber one and two. Acording to ECS, apparently there is.  I cant help but think that CLU  must have overlooked the Saggs to some degree.

We talked adnausium about preseason schedules, play weak or play strong, and I think CLU would beneift from maybe pciking up the degree of difficulty in their preseason schedule.

CMS was hanging tough at Redlands into the fourth quarter and you're absolutely amazed the Stags beat CLU in OT on an off day for the Kingsmen

In regards to the second part of your post, PLU and Willamette are long time quality programs having down years.  I am sure that at the time the contracts were signed the CLU staff believed they were setting up a challenging non-conference schedule.

[scandihoovian]

DGI-  I was just giving you a hard time

I dont see there being any way to have a 3-way tie.  I assume you are figuring Oxy, CLU and UR being the 3 teams but one of those teams will have gone down twice. 
CLU over Oxy and UR= Redlands w/ 2 losses, Oxy w/ 1
Oxy wins out= CLU w/ 2 losses (at least)
UR wins out= Even if they do and Oxy beats CLU, Oxy still has the tie-breaker with Redlands.
Do you see where this is going?  I think things will get a whole lot easier this weekend after the CLU/OXY game.  I hope its a good one.....and I can make it.

Nicely done, Tom   The UR hopes for a three way tie died last Saturday when CLU lost to CMS...

[Tom Brady]

Bob- That might be one of the few times I have actually laughed a little at one of your post's

I assume you will be at teh game on Saturday?

[SnowLeopard]

Between Redlands, La Verne, Pomona, and Chapman, the Bulldogs are clearly the best 2-4 team of the bunch.

Beg your pardon, but we'll see who is the best 2-4 is this Saturday when the Leos host the dogs......

[Tom Brady]

Bob-  I did promise that but I have to be there first.  I will let you know...

[dawg gone it]

So if CLU beats Oxy, and UR, CLU and Oxy all end up with one conference loss, how is not a three way tie?  I know there must be a tie breaker system, I have not been able to find it.

Tom,
I know we are just discussing and not giving each other a hard time, but UR should have had 3 more td's.....they just have to stop shooting themselves in the foot offensively.  It should not have been a close game.  I guess that is why I was asking how did CMS  beat CLU...I guess it was an unintended back handed compliment.  I just didnt see that CMS was that good of a team.  As they say....thats why they play the games.

In any event the Leos are next so.... go dawgs.

[Rock]

How much time do I need to get to the Cal Lu stadium
from the Burbank airport?

rock

[scandihoovian]

So if CLU beats Oxy, and UR, CLU and Oxy all end up with one conference loss, how is not a three way tie?  I know there must be a tie breaker system, I have not been able to find it.

Even if CLU beats Oxy the loser of the Redlands-CLU game will have at least two losses...

Rock-

45 minutes (5 North to 118 West turns into the 23 South, exit at Olsen Road)

[Tom Brady]

If CLU beats Oxy and UR that would leave Redlands with 2 losses (OXY and CLU).