FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[redlandsfan]

Dawgfan1,

I like your points on your last post, but I had a question with how you finished it.  You say you feel for the seniors on the team who lost three games due to the poor management.  I am assuming you're saying it's the coaches fault they lost those games.  You may be right to some extent.  I don't think Redlands would be undefeated in anyway if they chose one QB in August, and decided to throw the ball.  Your making it sound like the games were close at the start of the season, and if the team would have been "managed" better they would have won.  I disagree.  You can feel sorry for the seniors all you want, but they should have made plays in those games, and they didn't. 

[DawgFan1]

Redlandsfan:

Let me clarify. I am saying the lack of success on offense is NOT totally the fault of the offensive players, yet they are being blamed for it. Decisions made by the coaches had much to do with the lack of success. I am also not saying that UR would have been undefeated in preseason. However, if they settled with one QB in the second or third game, instead of against OXY in the first league game, the offense would have been MUCH MORE in sync and I strongly feel the outcome of the OXY game could have been different; ie, possibly more of the passes would have been caught, especially UR's first pass that would have been a TD.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Like that will ever happen.

tooth

I believe you hosted Willamette a couple years ago. 

If you are rated higher...you'll host.

My point was a general one as part of my musings as to possible reasons that the SCIAC has never advanced a team to the finals, and part of that MAY be that D3 playoffs almost always go to parts of the country where cold and wet are common events, unlike here in sunny so cal.   8)

And, in an ideal world (I recognize it's not) should weather be a factor in playoffs? 

Look at the major bowls in D1 . . . Rose (CA), Fiesta (AZ), Orange (FL), Sugar (LA), and Cotton (TX).  What do those major bowl sites have in common?  Hmmm . . .

Personally, I'd like to see the Stagg Bowl moved to the University of Hawaii, Costa Rica or Australia, but that's just me.    8)

tooth

[Eye of da TIGER]

3) Passing Game: Having watched Saturday's game between UR and La Verne, I will say La Verne's passing game and strategy was superior to any SCIAC team I have seen both this year and last. Their QB didn't have a strong arm but he was very accurate and their receivers running in and out of zones, spreading the field, etc, played havic with the UR DB's. If they had the same horsepower in other areas, I think there would have been a big difference in league standings.

2005
PASS OFFENSE         G   Att  Cmp Int  Pct.     Yds    Avg    TD     Yds/G
1. Occidental..........  9   298  200   6  67.1   2719   9.1    31      302.1
2. La Verne............  9   336  185  11  55.1  2453   7.3    18      272.6

2006 (does not include this past weekend)

PASS OFFENSE             G   Att    Cmp   Int    Pct.     Yds    Avg   TD     Yds/G
1. La Verne............      6   259  143     16    55.2   1734  6.7     10    289.0
2. Occidental..........      6   189  125      5     66.1   1574  8.3     20    262.3


hmmmm.....I vote Oxy best pass offense this year and last year. Far less interceptions and far more touchdowns. But you are entitled to your opinion.

[DawgFan1]

3) Passing Game: Having watched Saturday's game between UR and La Verne, I will say La Verne's passing game and strategy was superior to any SCIAC team I have seen both this year and last. Their QB didn't have a strong arm but he was very accurate and their receivers running in and out of zones, spreading the field, etc, played havic with the UR DB's. If they had the same horsepower in other areas, I think there would have been a big difference in league standings.

2005
PASS OFFENSE         G   Att  Cmp Int  Pct.     Yds    Avg    TD     Yds/G
1. Occidental..........  9   298  200   6  67.1   2719   9.1    31      302.1
2. La Verne............  9   336  185  11  55.1  2453   7.3    18      272.6

2006 (does not include this past weekend)

PASS OFFENSE             G   Att    Cmp   Int    Pct.     Yds    Avg   TD     Yds/G
1. La Verne............      6   259  143     16    55.2   1734  6.7     10    289.0
2. Occidental..........      6   189  125      5     66.1   1574  8.3     20    262.3


hmmmm.....I vote Oxy best pass offense this year and last year. Far less interceptions and far more touchdowns. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Eye,

I was only referring to this year's La Verne team's performance against UR.

Regards,

[Gray Fox]

And, in an ideal world (I recognize it's not) should weather be a factor in playoffs? 

Look at the major bowls in D1 . . . Rose (CA), Fiesta (AZ), Orange (FL), Sugar (LA), and Cotton (TX).  What do those major bowl sites have in common?  Hmmm . . .

The weather at the Cotton Bowl is often icey cold.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

And, in an ideal world (I recognize it's not) should weather be a factor in playoffs? 

Look at the major bowls in D1 . . . Rose (CA), Fiesta (AZ), Orange (FL), Sugar (LA), and Cotton (TX).  What do those major bowl sites have in common?  Hmmm . . .

The weather at the Cotton Bowl is often icey cold.

No doubt, but how often has it snowed at the Cotton Bowl?  Here's my question:  Given a choice between Texas on the one hand, or Iowa/Minnesota/Wisconsin on the other hand . . . where do you think the weather is less likely to be a factor?

[RFB]

Cal Lu & Redlands have both played in NAIA DII National Championship Games:

1971  Cal Lu defeated Westminster(PA) 30-14
1975  Cal Lu lost to Texas Lutheran  34-8
1976  Redlands lost to Westminster(PA) 20-13

Hopefully a SCIAC team will make it in the future.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

So, does anyone know the history as to the SCIAC decision to transition to the NCAA? 

[Gray Fox]

And, in an ideal world (I recognize it's not) should weather be a factor in playoffs? 

Look at the major bowls in D1 . . . Rose (CA), Fiesta (AZ), Orange (FL), Sugar (LA), and Cotton (TX).  What do those major bowl sites have in common?  Hmmm . . .

The weather at the Cotton Bowl is often icey cold.

No doubt, but how often has it snowed at the Cotton Bowl?  Here's my question:  Given a choice between Texas on the one hand, or Iowa/Minnesota/Wisconsin on the other hand . . . where do you think the weather is less likely to be a factor?

The odds are better in Dallas, no doubt, but they are longer than in the other Bowl areas you mentioned.

[RFB]

So, does anyone know the history as to the SCIAC decision to transition to the NCAA? 

I believe that the SCIAC transitioned to the NCAA in the 80's. Not sure as to why. The NAIA is losing schools every year to the NCAA.

[rockcat]

So, does anyone know the history as to the SCIAC decision to transition to the NCAA? 

I can't speak for the SCIAC's decision but the NWC made the move to 1) improve academic recognition by being affiliated with stronger institutions 2) save money

[downtown48]

Somebody was talking about fund raising or the lack thereof...I know I get hit up every year by the athletic department and the really amazing thing was that the million dollar plus renovation we just had with the field/track and the scoreboard was all donated money and all in about nine months if I'm not mistaken. 

I don't think having nice athletic facilities needs to come at a cost to the academic side of the school.  In Linfield's situation, all the improvements were donations from former athletes and supporters of the school in general.   Somebody just needs to beat the pavement and good things will happen.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Good debate on a few topics, but I wanted to bring something else up that LadyTiger had brought up.  The fact that Oxy only travels every other year to save money is a shame.  Redlands, like Oxy (and pretty much every other SCIAC school) has small budgets for athletics.....but why?  What do athletic directors get paid to do?  It saddens me that there is not more accountability in this area for SCIAC schools.  I was fortunate to catch teh Ohio State game last weekend and it really put things into perspective about fundrasing, relations, and getting alumni involved.  I know its Ohio State, and people want to give to the program, but I have never been asked by the Redlands athletic department to give money in anyway.  I have been contacted by the school, but not athletics.

I don't think athletic directors do enough down here.  I don't know how it compares with the NW schools, but it seems there is a bigger sense of community, which leads to more people getting involved in the program.

What do you guy's think about this topic? Fundraising for SCIAC athletic programs....is there one school in particular that's good at it?

The key is for the leaders of the athletic department to cultivate a good relationship with the school's VP for Advancement and Dir. of Development.

At Oxy, there is an associate director of annual giving who is responsible for coordinating efforts of the "Tiger Club."  This is the group of alums who give to the school's athletic programs.  There are targeted asks for those who have an affinity w/ athletics.  Moreover, each year football has an annual golf tourney and auction to raise money.

I'd check w/ Redland's advancment/development office, I bet they'll accept your gift of current monies to be restricted to football.

tooth

[tigersports]

As the broadcaster, I would love to see the Tigers expand their non-conference horizons.  In the 7 years we've been doing this, I think there have been a total of five different non-conference opponents:  Chapman, UPS, L&C, CC and Menlo, with CC being there every year.   A trip to Texas wouldn't be much pricier than CO or WA.  Newhall seems to have gotten the message that simply scheduling LaSierra, Chapman, Pac Union, Life Bible, the Little Sisters of the Poor and three D-I's may not be cutting it.  He stepped up last year, beat Amherst, which was the main reason they made the tourney and his sched this year is a good d-III schedule.

As for those of you who takes OB's bait, I bet he cackles with every response.