FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[SmittyBoy]

DGI i would say that this game will hopefulyl be a good one..the past couple of years CLU and Redlands have always been close and physical..I would expect nothing less from this game..Neither team wants to lose, and i doubt that they would play the younger guys and put down the seniors, seeing as the seniors have put years into each  program, and especially seeing that its a rivalry game..Go CLU..

[CRZK]

I see LT has kinda brought back the schedule discussion.  It has also prompted some shots (in a competitive sense mostly) about SCIAC avoiding NWC match ups.  

Well I didn't go back to last season but as far as this season goes the facts don't appear to back up NWC fans comments.  It would also be interesting if we knew 2007 schedule.

Cal Lu:  W over Pac Lu, W over Willamette
LaVerne:  L to UPS, L to Whitworth
Redlands: L to Whitworth
CMS: L to UPS
PP:  W over Lewis and Clark
Whittier:  L to UPS
Oxy:  W over L&C

Let's throw Chapman in the mix (they basically play a SCIAC schedule)

Chapman:  L to Menlo, W of Pac Lu

Overall SCIAC record vs NWC this year:  4-5, throw in Chapman the record is 5-6.  Not too bad, not great--but it is competitive.

Now Pac Lu might be down a little bit this year but it looks like UPS is tough and could give Whitworth a run this weekend.  

Anyway you slice it, it does not seem SCIAC is ducking the NWC.  Call a spade a spade, your real comments are directed at just one SCIAC school.  That may be a valid criticism but put a different spin on it.  Say Oxy put a NWC on the schedule.  Oxy wins the SCIAC and whether they beat an NWC school or not in region play how much of a difference would that make in post season?? Unless the region game was a win over Whitworth this year.   Based on past history and the well-known travel issues, Oxy still stays on the west coast, either at home or travels north.

So from that point, what does it really matter??

[D O.C.]

CRZK....

Oxy wins the SCIAC and whether they beat an NWC school or not in region play how much of a difference would that make in post season?? Unless the region game was a win over Whitworth this year. 

Many people think playing LINFIELD close will move a team's stature up.

[desertcat1]

The cats don't hear the phone ringing off the hook from the SCIAC?  

I can take a message if you want to play  

Go NWC

[CRZK]

DOC and desertcat;

Respectfully you are missing my point. 

Look at the facts.  This year (counting Chapman) there were 11 games between SCIAC and NWC schools.  Sure none of them were against Linfield but I don't think you can call Whitworth, UPS and PacLu chopped liver.

Another point.  Since 2003 Oxy is 6-2 against NWC schools.  Throw out the wins against L&C the record is 2-2.  And it looks like a first round matchup between Whitworth and Oxy this year.  Obviously the home team should get an advantage but in all honesty don't think you can call a clear favorite in that matchup.  So a good chance for Oxy to be 3-2 after this year.  Of course the 2 losses are against Linfield,  no problems there, Linfield was the better team.  Nothing wrong with losing to a better team.

So--now answer my point.  Recent records show SCIAC teams are playing NWC teams (including Oxy),  Your primary complaint is that Linfield isn't being called.  My point is--so what?  Given the recent playoff history and travel considerations it is almost a given that Linfield is or contends for the NWC championship every year,  it is almost a given, that even if the SCIAC champ plays a killer non conference schedule they and the NWC champ have a high probability of facing each other in the first round.  So what does a team really gain?  Other than providing meat for people like ourselves who have nothing better to do??

Jeez, I can't believe I am doing this, I probably should be the SID for Oxy!!

[DawgFan1]

>>Obviously, the UR-CLU game is of no significance other than to the players in the game.<<

Not true. This game is big. Redlands is battling for third place for the third straight year.

OxyBob

Bob, Do you really "get off" doing this? Is your ego so warped that you must continue with this put down of UR?

By the way, the winner of the game will be in 2nd place. This is  obviously of no consequence to "Hall of Famers" like you. However, it is very important to the players on the both UR and CLU who, win or lose,  bust their asses on the field, instead of just taking pot shots at others from the safety of their bedroom computers.

[dawg gone it]

Dawg Fan1,

He is just trolling for a response from one of us...dont bite...just be patient until next year. 

[DawgFan1]

DGI.  On the UR-Cal Lu game.  If I were a fan or alumni of either school I would be disappointed not to see a knock down fight. 

As a coach I would tell my squad that this is for pride and to set the tone for next year.  So the key seniors start, the normal starters are in and we take it from there.  If the game is decided by the 4th qtr then maybe we season some of the young kids.  I would expect the game is too important for either school not to go all out.

Especially for UR!!  I mean imagine additional board material for Oxy Bob if UR totally dominates....3rd place

If UR dominates, and wins, they will be in second place. If UR dominates, it will be fun reading why Oxy only beat CLU by 1 point.

Please don't misunderstand my reasoning for posting this. Even though Redlands is out of the picture, a certain Oxy fan thinks it is necessary to put them down on a daily basis...sort of like taking a One-A-Day vitamin. He just doesn't have the mental capacity to be a "Good Winner" and move on.

Can you imagine what would happen on this board, or from the Oxy fan I refer to,
if Whittier beat them Saturday? It would be PRICELESS!

[Browneagle64]

Sorry DawgFan,

It will be impossible for the poets to beat the tigers this late in the season. Thats like saying that it's easy trying to stop a growing snowball that keeps on rolling down from the top of a high mountain. Sure, the poets will score points, but it will be to late into the game to even catch up when the do so. In the end, all  young tigers will realize why keeping the shoes is so important and why they shouldn't be making mental mistakes this late in the season. Just my Opinion btw.

[DawgFan1]

DawgFan1:

>>Can you imagine what would happen on this board, or from the Oxy fan I refer to, if Whittier beat them Saturday? It would be PRICELESS!<<

First, I'd congratulate Whittier on its win. Then, I'd head to a bomb shelter because if Whittier beats Oxy this Saturday then Armageddon is certainly coming.

You do realize that even in the unlikely circumstance that Whittier beats Oxy, the Tigers still win the conference and still go to the playoffs, and Redlands doesn't, right?

OxyFan

P.S. dawg, you have my permission to copy this post and paste it on the Northwest board. Glad to see you found some confederates for your blathering.

Bob, I know Oxy will still win the SCIAC, and a BIG congratulations to them. You have commented to me several times in the past to ONLY focus on the upcoming game instead of looking past as if everything was a "done deal". I am only reminding you of what you kept preaching to me.

Good luck to Oxy in the play-offs!

[D O.C.]

bust their asses on the field, instead of just taking pot shots at others from the safety of their bedroom computers.

In fact, OxyBob sitting at home on his computer did have a little more credence than some of the Cal Lutheran players this season.

CRZK, is part of your point why schedule an in-region loss?

Look, in the circle of Elton 51 winning seasons can lead to arrogance but it is still getting the job done MOST of the time. (Again) The NWC hammered the NAIA in the '80's and the admin decided to go DIII for the academic culture. Some schools had great momentum (catching the division with pants down in '99) but now some NWC schools are slip sliding away and may never get back to more than a cursory Title IX glimpse of athletics. Who knows? It's true that OXYCollins has made the SCIAC look good. 26 games worth.  One more game and this year is over. Can't talk about how well you did 'last year.' Remember?

Let's see if that SCIAC playoff win-lost percentage goes up. If it does the NWC will go down then, wouldn't it? But then there's the NCAA and the pairings.....

[LadyTiger]

LT,

Tell somebody in the SCIAC to set up a regular season game vs. Linfield and maybe we can convince you.  All I know Linfield has yet to lose to anybody in the SCIAC:

1998 vs Redlands: 24-23
1999 vs Redlands(SCIAC champ): 49-0
2000 vs Whittier: 43 - 7
2001 vs Whittier: 36-13
2002 vs Redlands (SCIAC champ): 59-21
2003 vs Redlands(SCIAC champ): 49-10
2003 vs Redlands(SCIAC champ): 31-23
2004 vs Oxy (SCIAC champ): 56-27
2005 vs Oxy(SCIAC champ): 63-21

That works up to an avg score of 45-16.  Please do spare me the "this year" conversation because I don't know what a Linfield vs. SCIAC team score would wind up being because nobody in the SCIAC will play Linfield this year or in the upcoming season(s).

I hate to keep playing the "won't play us card".  I would love the NWC and SCIAC to have an active relationship to help make sure the conferences are getting in-region DIII games but it's just not happening.

Have you noticed that most, if not all, of the other NWC schools play SCIAC teams during the season? Maybe Linfield should be the ones to pick up the phone. Although, I'm sure that you are too busy playing teams that won't hurt your QWI to consider inviting a SCIAC school up to play in the Cat-IT'S NOT A DOME.

And if you really want to talk about history maybe I should start ranting and raving about how Oxy has a winning record against USC. Or maybe you should just actually read my post next time and realize that I was refering to NWC vs. SCIAC outside of Oxy, Whitworth and Linfield.

Hugs and kisses,
LT

[scandihoovian]

bust their asses on the field, instead of just taking pot shots at others from the safety of their bedroom computers.

In fact, OxyBob sitting at home on his computer did have a little more credence than some of the Cal Lutheran players this season.

Sorry Dens, I don't get it  

[DawgHeaven]

  I would like the Bulldogs to schedule at least one hard pre season game; Linfield, Whitworth, Trinity..., so that the new Dawgs know what it takes to compete at that level.  They should also schedule an Oxy shcedule level opponent; Colorado College, Sister Mary of the Poor..., to gain some confidence in case the tougher game does not go their way.  It has not the last couple of years.  On a side note,  the Bulldogs would get handled early in the year by top ranked opponents and then make a good showing, had opportunities to win, in the playoffs.  If Oxy goes to Wht, they will get annihilated.  You need more than a one man show to win in the playoffs.
  For the record, the Bulldogs will play all comers and I think that Linfield has the same philosophy.

[D O.C.]

Cat-IT'S NOT A DOME

ooooh the horror!

Salt in the wound.

Can you dig cement bleachers on one side?