FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Eye of da TIGER]

If Oxy goes to Wht, they will get annihilated.  You need more than a one man show to win in the playoffs.

Oxy knows all about what it takes to win in the playoffs, you can count on that. Im sure you are well aware of the recent history.  And if Oxy does have to go on the road to Whitworth for round 1 they will be prepared and head into the game confident.  Lets just hope they can pull it out, so we can all watch you put your foot in your mouth.  Not many thought we would beat Willamette, because even the 2nd place NWC team was better than #1 SCIAC team, WRONG! No one thought we would travel all the way to Fargo and beat, I believe #4 team in the country in Concordia, WRONG! Just keep hatin' on the Tigers, it doesnt matter..... the players will go out there and give it their all, you can count on that.

[wildcat11]

Have you noticed that most, if not all, of the other NWC schools play SCIAC teams during the season? Maybe Linfield should be the ones to pick up the phone.

I don't know how I can make it any more clear...Linfield calls every SCIAC team during the off season in regards to playing the 'Cats and is told "no thanks".  It would be very helpful to find another DIII game that is in the same time zone.

And if you really want to talk about history maybe I should start ranting and raving about how Oxy has a winning record against USC.

I posted those "recent" scores as an actual trend of outcomes between of what has been typically the best of the NWC vs the best of the SCIAC.  Like you said when your brought it up:

I just can't seem to understand why everyone is saying that the NWC is better than the SCIAC.

Maybe the results I posted have a little to do with that line of thinking.

Or maybe you should just actually read my post next time and realize that I was refering to NWC vs. SCIAC outside of Oxy, Whitworth and Linfield.

While you're at it you might just as well take UPS out to really help the SCIAC vs NWC record for this year.

***Sorry to the other SCIAC'ers for keep bring this up but I felt compelled to respond.

[DawgHeaven]

Let's face it Oxy will not schedule tough Out of Conference games.  Maybe there is some validity to this as to get the ball rolling early in the year, but two years in a row they get destroyed in the playoffs by a team they always avoid.  I get it my Dawgs are down, but they will always schedule at least one tough opponent.  As far as eating crow,  Oxy fans lets see where you guys are without Collins.  Just ask Linfiled how it is without Elliot, not taking a shot.  Collins would not and could not hold Elliots jock.  Let see you maintain for the next fifteen years like the Bulldogs run.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

On a side note,  the Bulldogs would get handled early in the year by top ranked opponents and then make a good showing, had opportunities to win, in the playoffs.  If Oxy goes to Wht, they will get annihilated.  You need more than a one man show to win in the playoffs.

Uhm . . . the Bulldogs had opportunites to win in the playoffs?  When was that?  Last year?  No, that wasn't it.  This year?  Nope, wrong again.  Oh, it must have been two years ago?  Oops, nope.  

Take a look at the SCIAC NCAA playoff record on the front page.  Here's the link for our computer challenged friends:  http://www.d3football.com/
You'll see the SCIAC has won 2 and lost 4.  Let's see how many of those wins belong to Redlands?  Oops, I guess NONE OF THEM.  Oxy has the sole playoff victories along with an equal number of losses.

And "Oxy will get annihilated?"  What's that based on other than sour grapes and whining?  Is it the huge differential between the Whitworth smackdown of the Bulldogs as opposed to Oxy's?  Ya right.

[Browneagle64]

Eye,

I tried to mention what you brought up in your post to everyone on this, yet, others will always find ways to disagree. To be honest with you, i am glad that we will always have a coaching staff that helped us keep true to what we should be doing 1 game at a time. Not only that, this prepairs everyone on the team to expect the unexpected and do what they  have  to do.(i.e. the 2004 tigers that went to #4 cobber dome.) the 2004 had no experience at all in the playoffs, let alone, going against a high ranked team.

In the end, it doesn't matter the size of the dog, what matters  the most is the bite.

Oxy destroys the poets first  at the rock  and then worries about the dance later.

[Rock]

D O.C.

I'm sure LT didn't mean to offend you.

What kind of salt do you like?

As for those concrete ( cement comes in a bag ) bleachers
they have been quite helpful toughening up the skin on my
---.
That thick skin comes in handy on this board.

rock

[panthersdad]

Academic standards is the primary reason that Chapman isn't a SCIAC team. They actually became DIII with the intention of increasing academics and eventually joining the SCIAC, but so far we won't take them. Maybe with a little more progress the SCIAC powers that be may reconsider, but from what I have heard it probably won't happen anytime soon.

-LT

Hi everyone, longtime lurker, first time poster here. 

I did a bit of research on this at www.princetonreview.com.  I did a pretty simple analysis of academic standards of the SCIAC schools by looking at their SAT numbers (as recorded by princeton review).  Here's the rankings of the schools in order:

1) CMS (Claremont-Mudd-Scripps)  I know from a friend who's son used to play on the CMS team that the football team is about 90% Claremont McKenna College and 10% Harvey Mudd College-
CMC:
Average SAT:  1400
HMC:
Average SAT:  1450
Team Average (90% CMC, 10% HMC = 1410)

2) Pomona-Pitzer (the same source said that it was about a 50-50 ratio between Pomona and Pitzer students)
Pomona College:
Average SAT:  1460
Pitzer:
Average SAT:  1330
Team Average (50% Pom, 50% Pit = 1395)

3) Occidental:
Average SAT:  1280

4) Redlands:
Average SAT:  1164

5) Cal Lu:
Average SAT:  1120

6) Whittier:
Average SAT:  1100

7) La Verne:
Average SAT:  1027

Now for my panthers:

Chapman:
Average SAT:  1207

Chapman would come in fourth place if it were allowed into the SCIAC - above Redlands, Cal Lu, Whittier, and La Verne.  Can academics really be the issue here?  Does Chapman have such vastly different admissions prerequisites than all those other schools that it is prohibited from joining for that reason?

What do ya'll think?

Thanks,
PanthersDad

[Eye of da TIGER]

First of all, all of this cupcake schedule dispute is a result of Oxy's recent success and dominance of the SCIAC.  I dont think you guys cared who Oxy was playing in '02 and '03, were you?  Let me remind you of something, in '02 we only beat Lewis and Clark by 1 pt and Colorado by 11 pts. Then in '03 we were losing to Lewis and Clark 21-0. Now, Im not sure if Linfield was banging on our door to play us then, but Im gonna have to say probably not. I personally dont even know how long these contracts are with these teams, so to say Oxy has always been ducking Linfield and other NWC teams is unfair and wrong.  As a former player, I can tell you that the guys on the team would like nothing more than to play Trinity or another NWC team.  Yet once again its not up to the players, so why dont you write a letter to Oxy's boosters, or the Board of Trustees and complain to them. Tell them Oxy needs more money so we can fly up to Linfield or down to Trinity so the Redlands fans can get their panties out of a bunch. And who knows where Oxy will be next year without Collins, heck Oxy still has one game and the playoffs to worry about this year before even thinking about next year!  

[dawg gone it]

Here is the difference between a real winner and a real weiner......Linfield fans are the winners....they are taking their lumps with dignity, giving congrats to the rats and being good losers, but for 509 rat, I seem to see the same from most Whitworth posters.........

Every Redlands fan on this board has congratulated the tigers on beating UR and on winning the league title.......and, have pledged their support for the SCIAC and Oxy in the playoffs.....yet......we have to constanly hear crap from the Oxy Blob.......all of a sudden Im starting to think I want the Rats to win just to get even with...the I told you so's.......I will be the better person....but really enough is enough...you had the better team....you beat UR....you won league.......have some class and be gracious before the Rats beat your brains out..........then we will hear how cold it was, how it was unfair to make us travel...again...on an on....you sound like a spoiled child who has a bad case of the nanny, nanny nannies.


and Browneagle...never say never.....it always comes back to bite you on the ass.  The word, impossibible , doenst exist in making football predictions.  Finally...when Collins is gone...so is your run.

[Pat Coleman]

I think the Chapman administration made some bad decisions when it first came over from the NAIA, in terms of transfer baseball and football players, and is continuing to pay for it. It may take more than the 12-14 years that have passed for Chapman to live down that reputation.

[RFB]

Academic standards is the primary reason that Chapman isn't a SCIAC team. They actually became DIII with the intention of increasing academics and eventually joining the SCIAC, but so far we won't take them. Maybe with a little more progress the SCIAC powers that be may reconsider, but from what I have heard it probably won't happen anytime soon.

-LT

Hi everyone, longtime lurker, first time poster here. 

I did a bit of research on this at www.princetonreview.com.  I did a pretty simple analysis of academic standards of the SCIAC schools by looking at their SAT numbers (as recorded by princeton review).  Here's the rankings of the schools in order:

1) CMS (Claremont-Mudd-Scripps)  I know from a friend who's son used to play on the CMS team that the football team is about 90% Claremont McKenna College and 10% Harvey Mudd College-
CMC:
Average SAT:  1400
HMC:
Average SAT:  1450
Team Average (90% CMC, 10% HMC = 1410)

2) Pomona-Pitzer (the same source said that it was about a 50-50 ratio between Pomona and Pitzer students)
Pomona College:
Average SAT:  1460
Pitzer:
Average SAT:  1330
Team Average (50% Pom, 50% Pit = 1395)

3) Occidental:
Average SAT:  1280

4) Redlands:
Average SAT:  1164

5) Cal Lu:
Average SAT:  1120

6) Whittier:
Average SAT:  1100

7) La Verne:
Average SAT:  1027

Now for my panthers:

Chapman:
Average SAT:  1207

Chapman would come in fourth place if it were allowed into the SCIAC - above Redlands, Cal Lu, Whittier, and La Verne.  Can academics really be the issue here?  Does Chapman have such vastly different admissions prerequisites than all those other schools that it is prohibited from joining for that reason?

What do ya'll think?

Thanks,
PanthersDad

When Chapman started their football program in 1994 they admitted many questionable students who just happened to play football. They were all transfers from Cal State Fullerton when they dropped football. Many of them were very thug like and played a very dirty brand of football. Chapman in 1996 had to forfeit many wins due to using 4-6 ineligible players that were playing their 5-6 year of football. Over those three years they were very good and blew the doors off of most of the SCIAC. Not sure if this had much to do with it, but there must be reasons for the SCIAC to continually deny them admission to the conference. Personally, I am all for Chapman joining the SCIAC.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Let's face it Oxy will not schedule tough Out of Conference games.  Maybe there is some validity to this as to get the ball rolling early in the year, but two years in a row they get destroyed in the playoffs by a team they always avoid.  I get it my Dawgs are down, but they will always schedule at least one tough opponent.  As far as eating crow,  Oxy fans lets see where you guys are without Collins.  Just ask Linfiled how it is without Elliot, not taking a shot.  Collins would not and could not hold Elliots jock.  Let see you maintain for the next fifteen years like the Bulldogs run.

Uhm, SCIAC champs in 2001 Redlands?  Oops, no, it was Oxy . . . and wow, no Andy Collins!  "Collins could not hold Elliots [sic] jock?"  Apparently you've never seen them play because our friends at Linfield sure give Andy a whole lot more credit that you do.

Oh yes, and as for your "Bulldog run" crap, if you want to look at history, instead of a self serving snapshot, let's look at the entire history:  

48 wins for Oxy
45 wins for Redlands
2   ties

yup, that's right, Oxy leads the series.  So get over yourself.

Oh yes, and in 2000, when Redlands won the SCIAC, it lost to Lewis & Clark 21-17

In 2002 it lost to Willamette and Linfield
In 2003 it lost to Willamette and Linfield
In 2004 it lost to Whitworth and Trinity, in the playoffs, Oxy beat Willamette and Concordia (Moorhead), lost to Linfield
In 2005 it lost to Whitworth and Trinity, Oxy lost to Linfield in the playoffs

Yup, we should want to be like the Dogs?

[RFB]

I think the Chapman administration made some bad decisions when it first came over from the NAIA, in terms of transfer baseball and football players, and is continuing to pay for it. It may take more than the 12-14 years that have passed for Chapman to live down that reputation.

Pat,

You beat me to the punch.

[Browneagle64]

DGI----Oh Gosh here we go again----Browneagle...never say never.....it always comes back to bite you on the ass.  The word, impossibible , doenst exist in making football predictions.  Finally...when Collins is gone...so is your run.

The same was said the year Jesus left the 2000 Oxy Team( And no i am not talking about Christ) and right before Tyler Paopao and Young Elway left. With all the success comes surprise and new treats. DGI------- wake up. THere will be a new surprise for at the Q.B position for Oxy next year.

IMHO, there is no way the poets are going to win. Just to help introduce you to the last part of the season newbie.Whenever Oxy plays the Poets, its a big deal.  No oxy player ever wants to disappoint their Alumini when the lose the shoes to the poets. THis is what fuels the tigers all week long and motivates them to do even better during the poet week. Now, go ahead and please tell, how will the poets win this game? 
Last rivalry game of the year that all oxy players (old and new ) now can not go in whitters favor

[scandihoovian]

Pat and RFB are dead on, but I think there's one more issue that can easily be forgotten on the football board.  In all other sports the SCIAC has 8 members - a 9 member schedule is much tougher to manage with the constant odd team out.  I know other conferences do it - I just think that may be an additional hurdle in Chapman's way.